JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 News, Discussion & Media
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Roger604
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Re: JF-17: New Pics
Wow, that is a nice cockpit!
At first I was not that excited about the JF-17. After all, it is supposed to be the low-end on the current spectrum of 4th generation Chinese fighters (with J-10 and J-11 on the high-end). But since the government is releasing a lot more information about this baby than it does for J-10 (being an export product and all), it's hard not to be impressed. It makes you wonder.... if this is the low-end what else do they have in the high-end that they don't lay bare to the world.
Is the JF-17 a suitable replacement for any of the 3rd generation aircraft in the inventory (J-6, J-7, J-8)? I mean in terms of the role it would play in a combat operation. I assume it is cheap enough to make to actually replace those old birds.
Wow, that is a nice cockpit!
At first I was not that excited about the JF-17. After all, it is supposed to be the low-end on the current spectrum of 4th generation Chinese fighters (with J-10 and J-11 on the high-end). But since the government is releasing a lot more information about this baby than it does for J-10 (being an export product and all), it's hard not to be impressed. It makes you wonder.... if this is the low-end what else do they have in the high-end that they don't lay bare to the world.
Is the JF-17 a suitable replacement for any of the 3rd generation aircraft in the inventory (J-6, J-7, J-8)? I mean in terms of the role it would play in a combat operation. I assume it is cheap enough to make to actually replace those old birds.
Re: JF-17: New Pics
That is a nice cockpit. Very modern. I do notice how China's newer fighter developments have abandoned analog displays for the more modern displays. 1 question. Are these LCD displays? And I also wonder how many China will procure for her own forces. I'm also guessing that this aircraft will be totally multi-role with a focus on ground attack.
That is a nice cockpit. Very modern. I do notice how China's newer fighter developments have abandoned analog displays for the more modern displays. 1 question. Are these LCD displays? And I also wonder how many China will procure for her own forces. I'm also guessing that this aircraft will be totally multi-role with a focus on ground attack.
Re: JF-17: New Pics
Yes, those should be LCD displays. The only fighter that uses CRT display in pla is su-27sk I think (Crobato can correct me on this). JF-17 is mostly likely not going to get many orders from pla, especially if it can get a couple of hundreds of export to countries not called Pakistan. Whether or not it focuses on ground attack depends on the country ordering it. I would think it would be more focused on air interception.Sea Dog said:
Re: JF-17: New Pics
I thought they looked like LCD's. You may be right about it being more in line as an interceptor. If that's the case, maybe PLAAF will not be interested in too many of them as they have J-10. But as a cheaper alternative(JF-17), a decent interceptor is plausible. As is a cheaper alternative for a shorter range ground attack aircraft. I'm interested in China's intention on mission roles for this aircraft.
tphuang said:
I thought they looked like LCD's. You may be right about it being more in line as an interceptor. If that's the case, maybe PLAAF will not be interested in too many of them as they have J-10. But as a cheaper alternative(JF-17), a decent interceptor is plausible. As is a cheaper alternative for a shorter range ground attack aircraft. I'm interested in China's intention on mission roles for this aircraft.
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one more thing, this is a video of PTV on Musharraf's visit to China:
I can't understand most of it, but it does contain a section on advanced avionics. I believe that it listed
Glass Cockpit
pulse doppler radar
Electronic Warfare Suite
Datalink
Well, at least that confirms to me that J-10 definitely has datalink.
It's interesting that you are talking about the mission role for this aircraft. The Chinese forums are calling this aircraft "get rich". Which is another weird name, considering J-10 is called "stick" and J-11 is called "chopstick" and JH-7 is called "fatty" I think. Basically, the Chinese people are looking at this as an export item to make money and not much else.Sea Dog said:
one more thing, this is a video of PTV on Musharraf's visit to China:
I can't understand most of it, but it does contain a section on advanced avionics. I believe that it listed
Glass Cockpit
pulse doppler radar
Electronic Warfare Suite
Datalink
Well, at least that confirms to me that J-10 definitely has datalink.
Re: JF-17: New Pics
The reason I talked about potential missions is because I thought PLAAF would buy some of the units for themselves. But I do see that J-10/J-11 are the premier aircraft for China's Air Force. And J-10 is going into high production this year, right? So it makes sense...why not use this as an export fighter. Well, regardless, cool plane.
I wish I could understand that video too. But looking at it, I got the gist of it.
The reason I talked about potential missions is because I thought PLAAF would buy some of the units for themselves. But I do see that J-10/J-11 are the premier aircraft for China's Air Force. And J-10 is going into high production this year, right? So it makes sense...why not use this as an export fighter. Well, regardless, cool plane.
I wish I could understand that video too. But looking at it, I got the gist of it.
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FreeAsia2000
Junior Member
Re: JF-17: New Pics
Not much.
They said that Musharaf was informed it was a 4th gen aircraft and
that he met the people involved in it's research and design
Not much.
They said that Musharaf was informed it was a 4th gen aircraft and
that he met the people involved in it's research and design
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if anyone can decipher this:
I will give a try, talks about encounter with someone that worked for CAC and now at Nokia
爪根的故事之诺记攻略
前一段时间遇到了个哥们，他在诺基亚做事情，原来是北航毕业的高才生。晚上吃饭的时候看到CCTV新闻里播放国家十五建设时航空工业的业绩，记得当时介绍的是611所所长杨伟和最新型号的FC-1战斗机。看到杨伟志得意满地向记者介绍最新型FC-1上装置的最新型航电时，那家伙嘿嘿一笑道：“杨伟和611的家伙们啊，终于学会了！
Showing on CCTV the achievements of aero industry. 611's boss Yang Wei is talking about the avionics on FC-1, the Nokia guy said "Yang Wei and 611 finally learnt how to use it"
听到他突然来怎么一句，再考虑到他和yf23老大一样曾经在成飞实习过，偶不由得问他，这“学会了”到底是什么意思？
Now, thinking back, this Nokia guy and YF-23 (another poster) both worked at CAC, so what does this learnt mean?
那小子略微一笑，问我说：“我知道你是诺基亚（诺记）忠实的Fans，从进入GSM时代以来就用诺记的手机，从最初的3810到现在的6230i你也换了将近十几个型号了。以前你不是老抱怨我们诺记是功能+性能=OK！就是不够新潮，对吧？
Nokia guy said to him "I know you are a Nokia fan, been using it ever since GSM age. From the earliest 3810 to 6230, went through numerous models, You always said that Nokia has good functionality and reliability, but just not new enough, right?"
（废话！不是你个孙子拼命做广告，偶怎么会买那么多诺记手机。再说了，老子问你成飞的事情，你扯诺基亚干吗？！）
(so what does this have anything to do with CAC?)
那孙子坏笑着说：“还记得你03年的时候跟我抱怨，说我们诺记赶不上新潮，最新型号的屏幕还不是真彩的TFT，而是STN的伪彩，而且还是4096色的。而人家三星、MOTO甚至国产的都有65000色甚至26000色的TFT的了，对吧？
Nokia guy said "back in 03, you complained that Nokia wasn't new enough, the latest display is not real TFT, but cloned STN, has 4096 colours only, but some of the domestic cell phone companies already have 65K or even 26K colour TFT"
（是啊！但这个跟FC-1和611有什么关系？？？）
(again, how does this have anything to do with FC-1 and 611)
“嘿嘿！”那三孙子冷笑一声：“可是我们最近新出的6131却采用了有源 1670万色的TFT QVGA 屏幕，连外屏都是26000色TFT的，你没想到吧？
Nokia guy said "but the new 6131 uses 16 million color TFT QVGA display and the outer display is even 26K coloured TFT"
（这个……这个……废了半天话，也没看出和611有什么关系？！）
(again, what's this garbage?)
“切！”那大三孙子一脸的不屑，缓缓吐了一口气道：“其实什么26万色，什么1670万色甚至更高的技术我们早就有了。什么电视手机，什么音乐手机也早就搞出来了。技术储备可说是非常充足！”
Nokia guy said "doesn't matter 260K colour or even 16 million colour or even better technology, we had it a long time ago, basically TV cell phone, music cell phone were developed a long time ago, the skill base is extremely strong"
看了一眼发愣的我，那二百五得意地笑道：“为什么早不拿出来呢？因为我们有自己的考虑。就好象你03年年初买的那台6100，当时是3800一台，没有摄像头还是4096色STN的。但是当时刚刚出现彩屏手机，以诺基亚的名气和功能，我们为什么一开始就要把什么TFT显示屏和摄像头往上装呢？反正就是换个伪彩的屏幕，就比旧款的8310要好卖啦！等到接下来，稍微改变以下外型，再装个11万像素的摄像头出一款6220，过一阵再换个65000色TFT的显示屏，30万像素的6230。再过一阵把屏幕从128 X 128 换成208 X 208，换个130万像素的摄像头，连壳子都不换改个名字叫6230i，不照样热卖？！反正你自己数一数，我刚才说的这几款在过去几年可都是6系商务的主打机型，一开始哪个不是从4000开卖的？不怎么搞，那么这些傻瓜Fans怎么追捧我们的产品啊！”
so why did we not sell it? Well, we were thinking that if you buy 6100 in 2003, at that time its 3800, doesn't have much. Due to Nokia's name and functionality, why do we have to put the TFT display and camera on it, as long as we make a small modification, it's better than 3810. So, we will make small changes, we would increase to more colours and greater display size incrementally and create new models for sales. The stupid nokia fans would buy from all the series (this is actually quite believable).
“别说我们是JS，杨伟那帮家伙还不一样？什么联合式啊综合式的什么航电，什么多余度电传，他们早就搞OK啦！那个什么DSi进气道也不是为了FC-1而专门开发的。棍子8年前就首飞了，他们到今天的水平还搞不定一款出口低档货？”
We and Yang Wei are like the same. What's this rubbish about integrated avionics, MFD, they developed it a long time ago. The DSI wasn't developed for FC-1, J-10 flied 8 years ago, they at today's level can't even produce a low cost product?
个狗X的喝了一口啤酒接着道：“当然，有人出钱让他们搞项目是不错，可以支持他们发展，但如果以为他们真是在一穷二白的基础上搞FC-1的，那可就大错特错了。关键的技术他们早就摆平了，但是跟我们一样，他不会一次就给拿出来。看看当年珠海航展上FC-1的座舱，再看看今天电视上播的，那差距可不止10年呐！可为什么要怎么做呢？其实也很简单。对巴基斯坦这样的小国也好，对你们这些追新的Fans也好，一个真正的商家都不可能在一开始就把最好的东西拿出来。小巴是个穷国，所以一开始不能把价格说的太高，把人家给吓跑了。开始报价要稍微低一点，先把银子骗到手，然后把东西搞出来，同时告诉人家，你这个要比阿三的什么要差一点。要提升性能？OK！成本控制点就要往上升升喽！
of course, getting funding for the development is good, support the development, but do not mistaken yourself into thinking that they developed all of the avionics for FC-1. The key technology for the cockpit was developed long ago, of course, they don't display it once. Looking back in Zhuhai airshow FC-1's cockpit and today's cockpit, the gap is more than 10 years. So why do you do this? the reason is simple. Whether it's for Pakistan or for fans looking for new things. A real businessman would not display the best rest away. If you come out with it right away, they will get scared away by price. So, you start with a little low, get some funding, then you display the better stuff and say that it's less than what India has. If you want to raise the capability, pay up more money.
个老丫挺的点着头说：“再加上美国佬想捣乱，关键的时候塞点F-16给小巴！可华盛顿的那帮杂碎也该动动脑子，这个FC-1/JF-17可能只是中国这边一头热吗？人家巴基斯坦那边还不知道有多少人要靠着这个升官发财呢！为伊斯兰世界打造的第一款先进战机，就听着都能感动着中东那帮老毛拉们边擦眼泪边掏银子！你不是给了F-16C/D吗？OK！这边马上升级，反正那边美国给了援助，可以省下一笔银子来搞JF-17升级版了。技术是现成的，改试的早就在棍子身上实验过了，那边开发棍改和四代也没少做技术积累！这不，04号就怎么给鼓捣出来了！不然你以为那里会那么快？搁20年前，一个歼-8改歼-8II从研制开始到真正形成战斗力还折腾老久呢！”
If you add to the fact that the Americans want to get in the most inopportune time to give F-16 to Pakistan. Washington starts to think, can FC-1/JF-17 be only for China to gain? Pakistanis can also make a lot of money off this. The first semi advanced Islamic fighter, can attract a lot of middle Eastern orders. You guys offered F-16C/D, right? Well, let's improve JF-17 right away. Since America is giving aid, you can save some money to upgrade JF-17. The technology is already there, the changes have already been tested on J-10. The development for J-10's big modified version and 4th generation (5th generation for US/Russian standard) collected a lot of experience. Otherwise, how do you think 04 can get modified that fast? 20 years ago, how long do you think it took us to go from J-8 to J-8II.
（那要是老美不给小巴F-16也就没有04号啦？）
Does that mean if America didn't offer F-16, 04 would not have came out?
“嘿嘿！你现在用的是6230i吧？”个兔崽子接着侃道：“6230i把MMC卡去了，摄像头换成11万色的，改用便宜一些的材料就是6020，把蓝牙留着去掉摄像头就是6021，把外型和色彩搞的酷一些就是7260。其实板子都差不多。以前不是彩屏的时代，8310、6510和6500其实都是一样的板子，就是外壳变一变就成了三个型号。
Well, you have 6230i, right? If you take MMC card off, change the camera to 110K colour, use some cheaper material and you get 6020. keep bluetooth and remove the camera snapper and you get 6021. change the outer and colour a little bit, you get 7260, in actual fact, most versions are the same. It's just 8310, 6510, 6500 uses same actual board, just the outside changed a little bit and you get 3 models (from working at Research in motion before, I can testify that this is exactly what mobile makers do).
“我看这手杨伟他们也学会了，如果03年首飞的是基本型，把飞控和航电提升上去，就是一款升级版本。换个大包围再在进气道上搞点名堂，等将来460把泰山整个搞定了升级了换上，又成了一款。如果小巴乐意多掏钱，换上个相控阵什么的，一个先进攻击型就出来了。但是换孟加拉那样的穷鬼，基本型还可以把配置减一减，反正是能打中距弹就比F-7P强不是？这就叫一款机，招招鲜，从上到下吃遍天！”
So, Yang Wei learnt this too, the basic type flied in 03, improved the FBW and electronics and you get an improved version, Make some serious changes to the intake and other stuff and wait for lab 460 to get Taishan (WS-13), then you get another upgrade. If Pakistan is willing to pay more, phased array radar can be added, an attacking version can be developed. For poor countries like Bangladesh, we can reduce even the basic type a little bit, as long as it can deliver MRAAM, it will be better than F-7P
（那要是真出了有钱的主，还要性能更高的呐？！）
so, if there really is a rich buyer, the capability can even get higher?
“笨蛋！不是还有个棍子吗？！就611那帮孙子和杨伟那么个猴精，估计最后改出个单发台风甚至中国的F-35也都说不定呐！就好象现在这个6230i也快退休了，最新的6233马上就要上市了，26万色TFT真彩，320 X 240显示，64和弦加200万像素，70MB内存外加支持MiniSD卡，够酷吧？！快来买吧，给你打个九折！”
Of course, what do you think J-10 is? they can modify it to get a single-engined typhoon, even F-35 might be reached. 6230i is about to retire, 6233 is coming out. 260K colour TFT, 320x240 display, 70MB storage + miniSD card, is that okay. I will give you a 90% off.
if anyone can decipher this:
I will give a try, talks about encounter with someone that worked for CAC and now at Nokia
爪根的故事之诺记攻略
前一段时间遇到了个哥们，他在诺基亚做事情，原来是北航毕业的高才生。晚上吃饭的时候看到CCTV新闻里播放国家十五建设时航空工业的业绩，记得当时介绍的是611所所长杨伟和最新型号的FC-1战斗机。看到杨伟志得意满地向记者介绍最新型FC-1上装置的最新型航电时，那家伙嘿嘿一笑道：“杨伟和611的家伙们啊，终于学会了！
Showing on CCTV the achievements of aero industry. 611's boss Yang Wei is talking about the avionics on FC-1, the Nokia guy said "Yang Wei and 611 finally learnt how to use it"
听到他突然来怎么一句，再考虑到他和yf23老大一样曾经在成飞实习过，偶不由得问他，这“学会了”到底是什么意思？
Now, thinking back, this Nokia guy and YF-23 (another poster) both worked at CAC, so what does this learnt mean?
那小子略微一笑，问我说：“我知道你是诺基亚（诺记）忠实的Fans，从进入GSM时代以来就用诺记的手机，从最初的3810到现在的6230i你也换了将近十几个型号了。以前你不是老抱怨我们诺记是功能+性能=OK！就是不够新潮，对吧？
Nokia guy said to him "I know you are a Nokia fan, been using it ever since GSM age. From the earliest 3810 to 6230, went through numerous models, You always said that Nokia has good functionality and reliability, but just not new enough, right?"
（废话！不是你个孙子拼命做广告，偶怎么会买那么多诺记手机。再说了，老子问你成飞的事情，你扯诺基亚干吗？！）
(so what does this have anything to do with CAC?)
那孙子坏笑着说：“还记得你03年的时候跟我抱怨，说我们诺记赶不上新潮，最新型号的屏幕还不是真彩的TFT，而是STN的伪彩，而且还是4096色的。而人家三星、MOTO甚至国产的都有65000色甚至26000色的TFT的了，对吧？
Nokia guy said "back in 03, you complained that Nokia wasn't new enough, the latest display is not real TFT, but cloned STN, has 4096 colours only, but some of the domestic cell phone companies already have 65K or even 26K colour TFT"
（是啊！但这个跟FC-1和611有什么关系？？？）
(again, how does this have anything to do with FC-1 and 611)
“嘿嘿！”那三孙子冷笑一声：“可是我们最近新出的6131却采用了有源 1670万色的TFT QVGA 屏幕，连外屏都是26000色TFT的，你没想到吧？
Nokia guy said "but the new 6131 uses 16 million color TFT QVGA display and the outer display is even 26K coloured TFT"
（这个……这个……废了半天话，也没看出和611有什么关系？！）
(again, what's this garbage?)
“切！”那大三孙子一脸的不屑，缓缓吐了一口气道：“其实什么26万色，什么1670万色甚至更高的技术我们早就有了。什么电视手机，什么音乐手机也早就搞出来了。技术储备可说是非常充足！”
Nokia guy said "doesn't matter 260K colour or even 16 million colour or even better technology, we had it a long time ago, basically TV cell phone, music cell phone were developed a long time ago, the skill base is extremely strong"
看了一眼发愣的我，那二百五得意地笑道：“为什么早不拿出来呢？因为我们有自己的考虑。就好象你03年年初买的那台6100，当时是3800一台，没有摄像头还是4096色STN的。但是当时刚刚出现彩屏手机，以诺基亚的名气和功能，我们为什么一开始就要把什么TFT显示屏和摄像头往上装呢？反正就是换个伪彩的屏幕，就比旧款的8310要好卖啦！等到接下来，稍微改变以下外型，再装个11万像素的摄像头出一款6220，过一阵再换个65000色TFT的显示屏，30万像素的6230。再过一阵把屏幕从128 X 128 换成208 X 208，换个130万像素的摄像头，连壳子都不换改个名字叫6230i，不照样热卖？！反正你自己数一数，我刚才说的这几款在过去几年可都是6系商务的主打机型，一开始哪个不是从4000开卖的？不怎么搞，那么这些傻瓜Fans怎么追捧我们的产品啊！”
so why did we not sell it? Well, we were thinking that if you buy 6100 in 2003, at that time its 3800, doesn't have much. Due to Nokia's name and functionality, why do we have to put the TFT display and camera on it, as long as we make a small modification, it's better than 3810. So, we will make small changes, we would increase to more colours and greater display size incrementally and create new models for sales. The stupid nokia fans would buy from all the series (this is actually quite believable).
“别说我们是JS，杨伟那帮家伙还不一样？什么联合式啊综合式的什么航电，什么多余度电传，他们早就搞OK啦！那个什么DSi进气道也不是为了FC-1而专门开发的。棍子8年前就首飞了，他们到今天的水平还搞不定一款出口低档货？”
We and Yang Wei are like the same. What's this rubbish about integrated avionics, MFD, they developed it a long time ago. The DSI wasn't developed for FC-1, J-10 flied 8 years ago, they at today's level can't even produce a low cost product?
个狗X的喝了一口啤酒接着道：“当然，有人出钱让他们搞项目是不错，可以支持他们发展，但如果以为他们真是在一穷二白的基础上搞FC-1的，那可就大错特错了。关键的技术他们早就摆平了，但是跟我们一样，他不会一次就给拿出来。看看当年珠海航展上FC-1的座舱，再看看今天电视上播的，那差距可不止10年呐！可为什么要怎么做呢？其实也很简单。对巴基斯坦这样的小国也好，对你们这些追新的Fans也好，一个真正的商家都不可能在一开始就把最好的东西拿出来。小巴是个穷国，所以一开始不能把价格说的太高，把人家给吓跑了。开始报价要稍微低一点，先把银子骗到手，然后把东西搞出来，同时告诉人家，你这个要比阿三的什么要差一点。要提升性能？OK！成本控制点就要往上升升喽！
of course, getting funding for the development is good, support the development, but do not mistaken yourself into thinking that they developed all of the avionics for FC-1. The key technology for the cockpit was developed long ago, of course, they don't display it once. Looking back in Zhuhai airshow FC-1's cockpit and today's cockpit, the gap is more than 10 years. So why do you do this? the reason is simple. Whether it's for Pakistan or for fans looking for new things. A real businessman would not display the best rest away. If you come out with it right away, they will get scared away by price. So, you start with a little low, get some funding, then you display the better stuff and say that it's less than what India has. If you want to raise the capability, pay up more money.
个老丫挺的点着头说：“再加上美国佬想捣乱，关键的时候塞点F-16给小巴！可华盛顿的那帮杂碎也该动动脑子，这个FC-1/JF-17可能只是中国这边一头热吗？人家巴基斯坦那边还不知道有多少人要靠着这个升官发财呢！为伊斯兰世界打造的第一款先进战机，就听着都能感动着中东那帮老毛拉们边擦眼泪边掏银子！你不是给了F-16C/D吗？OK！这边马上升级，反正那边美国给了援助，可以省下一笔银子来搞JF-17升级版了。技术是现成的，改试的早就在棍子身上实验过了，那边开发棍改和四代也没少做技术积累！这不，04号就怎么给鼓捣出来了！不然你以为那里会那么快？搁20年前，一个歼-8改歼-8II从研制开始到真正形成战斗力还折腾老久呢！”
If you add to the fact that the Americans want to get in the most inopportune time to give F-16 to Pakistan. Washington starts to think, can FC-1/JF-17 be only for China to gain? Pakistanis can also make a lot of money off this. The first semi advanced Islamic fighter, can attract a lot of middle Eastern orders. You guys offered F-16C/D, right? Well, let's improve JF-17 right away. Since America is giving aid, you can save some money to upgrade JF-17. The technology is already there, the changes have already been tested on J-10. The development for J-10's big modified version and 4th generation (5th generation for US/Russian standard) collected a lot of experience. Otherwise, how do you think 04 can get modified that fast? 20 years ago, how long do you think it took us to go from J-8 to J-8II.
（那要是老美不给小巴F-16也就没有04号啦？）
Does that mean if America didn't offer F-16, 04 would not have came out?
“嘿嘿！你现在用的是6230i吧？”个兔崽子接着侃道：“6230i把MMC卡去了，摄像头换成11万色的，改用便宜一些的材料就是6020，把蓝牙留着去掉摄像头就是6021，把外型和色彩搞的酷一些就是7260。其实板子都差不多。以前不是彩屏的时代，8310、6510和6500其实都是一样的板子，就是外壳变一变就成了三个型号。
Well, you have 6230i, right? If you take MMC card off, change the camera to 110K colour, use some cheaper material and you get 6020. keep bluetooth and remove the camera snapper and you get 6021. change the outer and colour a little bit, you get 7260, in actual fact, most versions are the same. It's just 8310, 6510, 6500 uses same actual board, just the outside changed a little bit and you get 3 models (from working at Research in motion before, I can testify that this is exactly what mobile makers do).
“我看这手杨伟他们也学会了，如果03年首飞的是基本型，把飞控和航电提升上去，就是一款升级版本。换个大包围再在进气道上搞点名堂，等将来460把泰山整个搞定了升级了换上，又成了一款。如果小巴乐意多掏钱，换上个相控阵什么的，一个先进攻击型就出来了。但是换孟加拉那样的穷鬼，基本型还可以把配置减一减，反正是能打中距弹就比F-7P强不是？这就叫一款机，招招鲜，从上到下吃遍天！”
So, Yang Wei learnt this too, the basic type flied in 03, improved the FBW and electronics and you get an improved version, Make some serious changes to the intake and other stuff and wait for lab 460 to get Taishan (WS-13), then you get another upgrade. If Pakistan is willing to pay more, phased array radar can be added, an attacking version can be developed. For poor countries like Bangladesh, we can reduce even the basic type a little bit, as long as it can deliver MRAAM, it will be better than F-7P
（那要是真出了有钱的主，还要性能更高的呐？！）
so, if there really is a rich buyer, the capability can even get higher?
“笨蛋！不是还有个棍子吗？！就611那帮孙子和杨伟那么个猴精，估计最后改出个单发台风甚至中国的F-35也都说不定呐！就好象现在这个6230i也快退休了，最新的6233马上就要上市了，26万色TFT真彩，320 X 240显示，64和弦加200万像素，70MB内存外加支持MiniSD卡，够酷吧？！快来买吧，给你打个九折！”
Of course, what do you think J-10 is? they can modify it to get a single-engined typhoon, even F-35 might be reached. 6230i is about to retire, 6233 is coming out. 260K colour TFT, 320x240 display, 70MB storage + miniSD card, is that okay. I will give you a 90% off.