JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[hkbc]

Gripen has US engine, still it is exported... Even to nations that were almost forced to accept cheap F16's.

I do not see any real issues with Russian engine in a JF17. If I remember some folks back decade a go telling me that it was a paper plane I was pretty sure they were wrong. Now I flew the JF17 simulator, sat in an operational JF17 and talked to most of the test pilots, crews and engineers. I think I can say that it is not a big issue. I am not going to tell you more cause I not like to hurt or degrade anyone or any nation. Leave the drama about what will or will not without the facts.

Sweden (SAAB) has an agreement with the US to re-export the engine in their planes to other countries, the US can still veto sales of the Gripen to "unfriendly regimes"

China (CAC) has an agreement with Russia to allow re-export of the engines to Pakistan and six other countries.

reference here

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Pakistan has no agreement with Russia in fact to quote "But the sanction doesn’t mean adding Pakistan to the list of states of direct military and technical cooperation with Russia."

Therefore with reference Blackstone's original query

An interesting scenario is who will sell JF-17/FC-1 to new buyers?

Only CAC will be selling them to new buyers who want JF-17s with engines.

Do you see a real issue now?

 

[Rauf]

PAC is busy with PAF requirements, I doubt for 6 units they will start a second line or stop or slow down deliveries for PAF. On other hand, if and when CAC diverts 100% production to PAC, any foreign sales cleared for CAC to sell with Russian engines can still be built at PAC. The requirement would probably be that Plane be first flown to China, then Chinese deliver the end product, same as when Turkish perform MLU on F-16s. Before delivery these MLUed Planes lands on US base for hand off, but we will probbaly won't know for while unless a large order is received.

 

[Zahid]

It is not quite important whether China or Pakistan sell this plane. Its a JV. I am happy that this bird would likely go to Sri Lanka which is a wonderful nation and a good friend to both China and Pakistan.

 

[asif iqbal]

It is not quite important whether China or Pakistan sell this plane. Its a JV. I am happy that this bird would likely go to Sri Lanka which is a wonderful nation and a good friend to both China and Pakistan.

Spot on! Same as K-8 it does not matter who is selling the plane, and Pakistan and China do not think in that way, otherwise we would not have this fruitful close military co-operation that we do, there is no gave or take between 2 allies, Sri Lanka is a good friend of Pakistan and we can only be happy for them if they chose JF-17, good thing about JF-17 is if Sri Lanka want custom specific requirement’s they can be fitted to JF-17 easily and quickly, also engine is not an issue so doesn’t even need discussing

Now that Chinese marketing strategy is employed maybe JF-17 will see orders, but even they are very reserved when selling military equipment, we need to be more aggressive because we are up against very nasty military companies from around the world which have big political influence

 

[asif iqbal]

It had been reported on numerous outlets that Pakisan has taken delivery of the super sonic missile CM-400AKG

The advantages over Ra'ad and Babur is its speed, its a terribly fast missile which can clock Mach 4 meaning it can hit targets 200km in under a minute giving a fast strike capability to land and sea targets

The missile is so fast if its programmed into hitting a target the chances of intercepting it is next to nothing because also its approaches its target from a high altitude, and can carry 400kg warhead

It can also take digital imagery that will enable a high level of accuracy, its been called a carrier killer too, a nice development and another asset in the arsenal

 

[plawolf]

The CM-400 also has a passive homing radar seeker option and was built and designed mainly as an ARM and precision strike ground attack missile rather than an anti ship missile. During Zhuhai, an active radar seeker was not even listed as a option, although that was gleamed from an interview and the engineer may not have given an exhaustive list of options.

Tbh, I think the CM-400 is a bigger threat to the escorts than it is to a carrier.

If used in a naval context, I would describe it as a breeching missile. You send a small wave of CM-400s to punch a hole through enemy fleet defences and a bigger follow on wave of coventional AShMs will take care of the carrier.

 

[Lion]

It had been reported on numerous outlets that Pakisan has taken delivery of the super sonic missile CM-400AKG

The advantages over Ra'ad and Babur is its speed, its a terribly fast missile which can clock Mach 4 meaning it can hit targets 200km in under a minute giving a fast strike capability to land and sea targets

The missile is so fast if its programmed into hitting a target the chances of intercepting it is next to nothing because also its approaches its target from a high altitude, and can carry 400kg warhead

It can also take digital imagery that will enable a high level of accuracy, its been called a carrier killer too, a nice development and another asset in the arsenal

The designer of the CM-400 claimed its speed is 5.5M.

 

[timepass]

It had been reported on numerous outlets that Pakisan has taken delivery of the super sonic missile CM-400AKG

The advantages over Ra'ad and Babur is its speed, its a terribly fast missile which can clock Mach 4 meaning it can hit targets 200km in under a minute giving a fast strike capability to land and sea targets

The missile is so fast if its programmed into hitting a target the chances of intercepting it is next to nothing because also its approaches its target from a high altitude, and can carry 400kg warhead

It can also take digital imagery that will enable a high level of accuracy, its been called a carrier killer too, a nice development and another asset in the arsenal

BYE BYE.....INS Vikrant/Viraat/Vikramaditya/P17A/P15.....

 

[asif iqbal]

The designer of the CM-400 claimed its speed is 5.5M.

Yeah I don't really know how fast it is but its said to be very very fast, so fast that it takes a lot of computational power and processing to track and engage such missiles, equipment that is not accessible to many country's

Even just tracking unguided rockets takes a lot, now think about trying to intercept one, the SAM has to be so manoeuvrable so it can engage the incominng missile, very complicated ballistics involved there just look at the Iron Dome system

Now think about the technology's required to track and successfully engage a incoming missile at supersonic speeds many times the speed of sound from a high altitude, probably outer space, this is why threats to ships are so high from anti ship missiles, entire doctrines have changed, HMS Sheffield, USS Stark, INS Eliat, INS Hanit etc etc

 

[SteelBird]

While you guys are so exciting regarding its God speed, look I found what; in and Indian forum they claim that the speed is only propaganda, its actual speed is not even Mach 1!!!

This is the only credible source I can find no other details. I doubt it is beyond Mach 1.

YJ-82 specifications which this is a version off

Weight 715 kg
Length 6.392 m
Diameter 36 cm
Warhead 165 kg time-delayed semi-armour-piercing high-explosive
Engine turbojet engine
Wingspan 1.22 m (unfolded); 0.72 m (folded)
Operational
range ~500 km (C-805); 350+ km (C-803); 280 km (CM-802AKG); 180 km (C-802A); 120 km (C-802)[1]
Flight altitude 3-5 m (attacking); 5-7 m (cruising)[1]
Speed Mach 0.9[1] Chinese propaganda claim MACH 5.5
Guidance
system Inertial and terminal active radar
Launch
platform ground-based vehicles, naval ships, fixed-wing aircraft

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PS. I quoted someone's claim doesn't mean I agree to that. To my untrained eyes, the CM-400AKG though with long or short middle fins are not fold-able while they claim it can be folded.