JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

nugroho

Junior Member
Well considering that Chinese engineers are in Pakistan teaching their Pakistani counterparts how to make the radar, I really don't think there are any black boxes. Especially when Pakistan seems to be integrating indigenous weapons themselves in country without having ship everything to China and getting the Chinese to integrate for them.

As near as I can tell, the co-operative relationship is one based on trust and mutal benefit.

China trusts Pakistan enough to give them full access to anything and everything to do with the JF17 and not worry about Pakistan screwing them over, by leaking sensitive stuff to potential Chinese competitors/enemies. OTOH, Pakistan trusts that China won't leave them flapping no matter what, so are not that bothered about making absolutely every nut and bolt in Pakistan so if something can be made more economically in China, they are happy to do that.

At last , the best explanation came. For friend, China will do almost everything ( remember Korea and Vietnam ).
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Exactly how Plawolf has put it, PAC has got all the nessasary equipment and tool machines to manufacture all the parts of the JF17, the engines come in and PAC has learnt to fit it into the aircraft by itself

I've got pictures of Pakistani personal manufacturing the KJL-7 radar using equipment supplied by the Chinese, manuals, SOPs, procedures etc etc have all be established at Pak kamra transfered from China

As far as I know 40 Chinese personal are permanently based at the air base and currently they can 90% of the manufacturing is done soon to achieve 100%

In addition Pakistan has all the source codes and they have fitted indigenous weapons to the JF17 in addition to Brazilian missiles, basically there is no limitation or restriction

It has been great for Pakistan which for decades had Western aircraft infrastructure using a lot of American and French capabilitys in the airo space industry now we have used all that experience and knowledge to integrate that with advanced Chinese techniques to streamline production of the JF17

Establishing a production line for world class fighter air craft is a very big and difficult under taking and it's great to see Pakistan establish this with the help from our closet allie China
 
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Franklin

Captain
Which part of the plane is still made in China ? What are the 40 engineers from CAC doing in PAC ? And when is Pakistan able to do without those Chinese engineers and parts ? In other words when is Pakistan able to produce the plane 100% without Chinese assistance. And does anyone see Pakistan in the future design and develop its own fighters without foreign assistance as a result of this deal ?
 

Rauf

New Member
Not sure as to how long the Chinese Techs / Engineers will stay at PAC, but during the days of F-6 and now F-7 there were / are at least few present at Kamara Facilities all year long for decades or so to assist with any issues that may arise. I would assume that this number may dwindle down as PAC picks up more work on JF-17, but few chinese techs / engineers may stay behind till end of producation run.

Will they be needed when the JF-17 goes thru midlife / over-haul ? only time will tell.
 

Rauf

New Member
Not sure as to how long the Chinese Techs / Engineers will stay at PAC, but during the days of F-6 and now F-7 there were / are at least few present at Kamara Facilities all year long to assist with any issues that may arise. I would assume that this number may dwindle down as PAC picks up more work on JF-17, but few chinese techs / engineers may stay behind till end of producation run.

Will they be needed when the JF-17 goes thru midlife / over-haul ? only time will tell.
 

MastanKhan

Junior Member
Which part of the plane is still made in China ? What are the 40 engineers from CAC doing in PAC ? And when is Pakistan able to do without those Chinese engineers and parts ? In other words when is Pakistan able to produce the plane 100% without Chinese assistance. And does anyone see Pakistan in the future design and develop its own fighters without foreign assistance as a result of this deal ?

Sir,

It will never happen---two heads are better than one---when european nations are having joint ventures for fighter aircraft---why does china or pakistan need to make each their own---.

Remember the concept ot TEAM---together everyone achieves more.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Exactly how Plawolf has put it, PAC has got all the nessasary equipment and tool machines to manufacture all the parts of the JF17, the engines come in and PAC has learnt to fit it into the aircraft by itself

I've got pictures of Pakistani personal manufacturing the KJL-7 radar using equipment supplied by the Chinese, manuals, SOPs, procedures etc etc have all be established at Pak kamra transfered from China

As far as I know 40 Chinese personal are permanently based at the air base and currently they can 90% of the manufacturing is done soon to achieve 100%

In addition Pakistan has all the source codes and they have fitted indigenous weapons to the JF17 in addition to Brazilian missiles, basically there is no limitation or restriction

It has been great for Pakistan which for decades had Western aircraft infrastructure using a lot of American and French capabilitys in the airo space industry now we have used all that experience and knowledge to integrate that with advanced Chinese techniques to streamline production of the JF17

Establishing a production line for world class fighter air craft is a very big and difficult under taking and it's great to see Pakistan establish this with the help from our closet allie China


With that I will add that in the near future Pakistan can even design and build their a fighter jet of their own in the same class as the Indian Tejas or better.
 

Lion

Senior Member
With that I will add that in the near future Pakistan can even design and build their a fighter jet of their own in the same class as the Indian Tejas or better.

No. It takes more than that.. More investment is needed for research and facilities like big wind tunnel are not there yet.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
With that I will add that in the near future Pakistan can even design and build their a fighter jet of their own in the same class as the Indian Tejas or better.

Isn't JF-17 the same class with the Indian Tejas? What's the point if Pakistan WILL be able to design/build fighter that would be considered old if not obsolete when time comes?
 
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