JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[MastanKhan]

I think those system mention already tells you what hierarchy it places, price has nothing to do with it.

I give an example of watches.. I have seen a China made watches cost $100 bucks and a swiss made Rolex watch for $5000. The Rolex watch might be better but the Chinese watch definitely is not 50 times inferior than the Rolex. Simply, some of the western stuff is overpaid and overprice for its function.

Sir,

Is this what you think of a Rolex---then you have a lots of growing up---. A rolex is an instant cash wrapped around your wrist---you may not be able to keep 5000---10000 dollars cash on your person---but a Rolex you can.

A ROLEX will get you and your family across the crossing point under stressful circumstances with ease---a chinese watch won't.

 

[MastanKhan]

I think you underestimate the important of WVR dogfight. During a massive exercise conducted by PLAAF simulating both airforce of equal strength with EW suit, AWACS and dedicated jammer plane. The number of sucessful BVR is null. Half of the fight need to reduce to WVR dogfight again.

BVRAAM and AWACS is not some magic solution if your foes play their capable chaff and jammer well.

Senor,

You really want me to believe you---now don't you----and the funny thing is that on the first second and third day of the war---suddenly it would be all BVR and the same PLAAF officials would be saying----yeah we decieved you---you fool---you fell into the trap.

It is amazing---people really believe what the the spokesperson stated after the excercize---. The truth is that the chinese generals were explurging ice cubes over the success of BVR missiles and were so overwhelmed at their current impotent situation that they were putting up a show of bravado by stating---oh BVR is nothing---WVR is everything---wallah---the innocence of people---.

The future of air warfare is BVR---no ifs and buts about it----the usaf wouldn't be spending $200 million an aircraft---.

 

[solarz]

Sir,

Is this what you think of a Rolex---then you have a lots of growing up---. A rolex is an instant cash wrapped around your wrist---you may not be able to keep 5000---10000 dollars cash on your person---but a Rolex you can.

A ROLEX will get you and your family across the crossing point under stressful circumstances with ease---a chinese watch won't.

LOL, if that's what you think, then you're forgetting the reason people don't carry 5000$ on their persons.

 

[MastanKhan]

LOL, if that's what you think, then you're forgetting the reason people don't carry 5000$ on their persons.

Sir,

You ought to own one to understand what I am saying.

 

[Zahid]

Sir,

You ought to own one to understand what I am saying.

That is a pretty round about way of saying that you own a Rolex. Why could you not say so four posts ago?

Bottom line, a watch is for keeping time. Fools judge status from brand names and give funny excuses.

I suppose you would feel more secure if Pakistan bought Western aircraft rather than JF-17, only you do not live there.

 

[antiterror13]

Sir,

Is this what you think of a Rolex---then you have a lots of growing up---. A rolex is an instant cash wrapped around your wrist---you may not be able to keep 5000---10000 dollars cash on your person---but a Rolex you can.

A ROLEX will get you and your family across the crossing point under stressful circumstances with ease---a chinese watch won't.

You are confusing yourself of investment and the value of goods. I think you are the one who have a lots of growing up

 

[duskylim]

Sir,

Is this what you think of a Rolex---then you have a lots of growing up---. A rolex is an instant cash wrapped around your wrist---you may not be able to keep 5000---10000 dollars cash on your person---but a Rolex you can.

A ROLEX will get you and your family across the crossing point under stressful circumstances with ease---a chinese watch won't.

Indeed.

Extremely useful information for fugitives fleeing prosecution for plundering their nation's wealth.

Remember this well.

Yet the typical US$5 plastic digital watch is MORE ACCURATE than the best and most EXPENSIVE ROLEX.

Rolex watches are NOT measures of high technology. Far from it.

They are crass and gaudy fashion accessories promoted by shallow worshipers of vulgar displays of ostentatious wealth.

This attitude reminds me of those Aboriginal women who wear the family's jewelry around their necks.

To demonstrate the family's wealth to others. (a favorite habit of the mafia dons).

The habits of a primitive culture die hard.

You can see it now in the 'fashion' and 'lifestyle' culture the West promotes.

China's youth should not copy this decadent practice of the West.

It will only lead to massive PIIGS deficits and Fiscal Cliffs.

 

[Franklin]

Does anyone know what the nature is of the technology transfer from China to Pakistan in the JF-17 program ? Is it a simple licence production deal that enables Pakistan to assemble and produce parts for the JF-17 Thunder or is China handing Pakistan the complete technology cycle that enables Pakistan in the future not only to build and assemble planes but also develop its own planes independently.

 

[Lion]

Does anyone know what the nature is of the technology transfer from China to Pakistan in the JF-17 program ? Is it a simple licence production deal that enables Pakistan to assemble and produce parts for the JF-17 Thunder or is China handing Pakistan the complete technology cycle that enables Pakistan in the future not only to build and assemble planes but also develop its own planes independently.

So far what I know. Main body Fuselage still needs to be flown into Pakistan for full assemble.

 

[plawolf]

Does anyone know what the nature is of the technology transfer from China to Pakistan in the JF-17 program ? Is it a simple licence production deal that enables Pakistan to assemble and produce parts for the JF-17 Thunder or is China handing Pakistan the complete technology cycle that enables Pakistan in the future not only to build and assemble planes but also develop its own planes independently.

Well considering that Chinese engineers are in Pakistan teaching their Pakistani counterparts how to make the radar, I really don't think there are any black boxes. Especially when Pakistan seems to be integrating indigenous weapons themselves in country without having ship everything to China and getting the Chinese to integrate for them.

As near as I can tell, the co-operative relationship is one based on trust and mutal benefit.

China trusts Pakistan enough to give them full access to anything and everything to do with the JF17 and not worry about Pakistan screwing them over, by leaking sensitive stuff to potential Chinese competitors/enemies. OTOH, Pakistan trusts that China won't leave them flapping no matter what, so are not that bothered about making absolutely every nut and bolt in Pakistan so if something can be made more economically in China, they are happy to do that.