JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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Vini_Vidi_Vici
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Only cost effective for certain countries, such as those third world ones. even slightl developed ones like those in south america could and would buy more expensive planes like j10 and maybe even jh-7.
this plane missed its window. If it was 10 years ago, it would sell very well. but now its too late.
this plane missed its window. If it was 10 years ago, it would sell very well. but now its too late.
Agree, its too advanced to replace Mig-21. More like a competitor to F-16. The only country which has the financial mean and suitable for it will be Iran. But its under sanction so it not much option. Countries like bangledesh, laos and zimbawe are too poor and lack of infrastruture to support such advance plane. They just want a simple, agile cheap fighter like J-7G which is to conduct WVR combat and pop a few missiles and go home. Is doesnt require much training , no complicated doctrine of BVR and EW warfare.
Actually this plane is developed solely for PAF. Under the agreement, both china and PAF invest $500 million each for JF-17 development which i think is too little. With increase of spec and request modification of adding in DSI , advanced glass cockpit. I believe China in fact fork out more money to help complete this project for the sake of Pakistan.
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Vini_Vidi_Vici
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totally disagree. this plane is too small and the avionics are no where near the level of f16. if you compare it to 1970s early block f16's, i will agree. But comparing them to current f16, it's ludicrous.
F16 is like a honda civic or ford focus, both developed since the 60s and 70s. They went through a lot of major and minor upgrades. The current generation look nothing like the original design. They're are so different to the point even the core is different. The JF17 is like a VW santana. to those of you don't know about it, it is a car introduced by vw since 1980. It is still on sale in China. What's amazing about it is all the new models are identical to the old one, there's almost no changes.
Sure the JF17 will have big displays and a radar, but fundamentally it is still a J7. Due to its size and limited power supply, its radar will be tiny. Its range and payload are also limited due to its size. It's more comparable to a F5 tigershark, not F16.
You clearly dont know what you are talking about and you are just another Kurt. Please read through again the whole FC-1/JF-17 thread from start before you make a fool of yourself. 'fundamentally it is still a J7' That is the most ridiculous sentence you have post in here...
Are you saying PAF is some stupid who has already operate J-7PG and they just buy another fundamentally similiar of J7 like JF-17 for what??? Not ony you are insult PAF, you are also insulting your own intelligence. Why would PAF order JF-17 if it 'fundamentally it is still a J7'
JF-17 has demonstrated flying all the way from Pakistan to UK for Faborough Airshow with only one stop at UAE.. Short range like F-5E? Has tigershark can complete that distance with one stop? Does F-5E has digital FBW? J-7 has digital FBW? JF-17 did has digital FBW and hotas. Please take a good look at JF-17 flight performance on youtube before you compare it to F-5E or J-7.
JF-17 indeed has a less thrust engine but at the same time it is much lighter than F-16. Yes, it thrust to weight ratio will still be inferior to F-16 but that is due to its engine problem. Once WS-13 enter service, it ratio will improve and matching F-16. In fact, Russian are offering a more powerful engine of RD-93MK but I don't know China will take that option for PAF.
PAF pilot has flown this JF-17 and none has ever wanted to go back the F-16. PAF will not just accept anything offer by the China. They did have their requirement. When JF-17 Pt03 was unveiled and test by them. They are not happy with the performance, in the end, a radial upgrade with more advance glass cockpit, DSI and LERX were added for pt04 prototype, smoky engine problem was also dramatically reduced.
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asif iqbal
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And I totally disagree, if JF17 was a J7 which PAF has so many of (F7) why would they just make another J7? whole reason JF17 even came into being was because US embargoed 77 F16s destined for Pakistan in 1989
infact top down JF17 was built around F16 specification, its turning circle, agility and combat capability
look at the vast array of roles and weapons can carry, it is designed to fill gap of F16
no doubt it has less hard points and less powerful engine, but what else can we expect from Block I, future variant’s use more composites and more powerful engine reducing that gap which isnt even fundamental at this point and time
just search youtube for JF17 turning circle, first prototype in March 2007 was close to F16 and that was 5 years ago! and i think Pakistan Air Force pilots are the most qaulified to talk about F16 and JF17, they operate both, and they said JF17 is one hell of a fighter
why else would we cut the order from 55 to 36 to just 18 x F16 C/D Block 52+
Precisely.
I tell you what, that Vini_Vidi_Vici knows nothing of China military. I bet he is long time fan of BR forum and just come here to make trouble...