SD-10
Nice! The previous we seen is dummy. I bet this one is real but probably without a live warhead.
JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
- Thread starter johnqh
- Start date
Nice! The previous we seen is dummy. I bet this one is real but probably without a live warhead.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Are they any weapons ranges near Chengdu that anyone knows of?
I don't really see the point in loading planes up with real missiles unless you plan to fire them (ruling out the possibility that the planes are going on patrol obviously).
Dummies can simulate carriage and separation nicely (you also need a range to carry out separation tests with dummy missiles), and training rounds would be more than good enough to test the electronics. The only things a real missile have that a training round does not are real engines and warheads, and you only need those if you are planning on launching a round.
I don't really see the point in loading planes up with real missiles unless you plan to fire them (ruling out the possibility that the planes are going on patrol obviously).
Dummies can simulate carriage and separation nicely (you also need a range to carry out separation tests with dummy missiles), and training rounds would be more than good enough to test the electronics. The only things a real missile have that a training round does not are real engines and warheads, and you only need those if you are planning on launching a round.
SteelBird
Colonel
I think they plan to do some test only live firing can prove. After you input all the parameters does the missile fly to the intended target and how the damage the warhead can do to the target.
This is not an official sales brochure, infact these are slides made by a fan on a famoud Pakistani defence forum.
What is the source of this information? Is this even official or just a fan boy wish list?
Zahid
Junior Member
This is not official, but pretty much what is in the works.
Dizasta1
Senior Member
Two things are crucial to the JF-17 Thunder. The first being the WS-13 Taishan engines, which have a higher performance than to the RD-93s or RD-33Us and have longer endurance between engine servicing. Also, we have got to get rid of the God Damn Smoke trails on the Thunder power-plant. With all the effort put into making JF-17 Thunders the main part of Pakistan Air Force's fighter fleet. It is essential that we manage to get everything right. Engine smoke trails ought to be resolved comprehensively.
The second thing crucial to the JF-17 Thunders is giving it larger wing area which would allow it more hard-points. With (x3) hard-points already occupied by Gasoline-Tanks, the Thunder can only carry (x4) Air-to-Air Missiles, which includes the Wing-Tip Rails. It's either Larger-Wing area, or Dual-Racks which can carry up to (x2) Air-to-Air Missiles on one rack. This would allow the Thunder to carry at least (x4) SD-10 BVR missiles and (x2) PL-9 WVR missiles.
The second thing crucial to the JF-17 Thunders is giving it larger wing area which would allow it more hard-points. With (x3) hard-points already occupied by Gasoline-Tanks, the Thunder can only carry (x4) Air-to-Air Missiles, which includes the Wing-Tip Rails. It's either Larger-Wing area, or Dual-Racks which can carry up to (x2) Air-to-Air Missiles on one rack. This would allow the Thunder to carry at least (x4) SD-10 BVR missiles and (x2) PL-9 WVR missiles.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Do RD93s still smoke? I don't remember seeing pictures of JF17s with smoke trails for some time now.
I think the J31 project is going to be a massive boon for Pakistan irrespective of whether they actually buy any, although it would certainly be a most attractive prospect. All of the subsystems like new 5th gen engines, AESA radar and avionics developed for the J31 would almost be perfectly scaled for the JF17. That means that the JF17 future blocks can look forward to far greater choices for upgrade options, and those upgrades should also become available sooner and be cheaper than if just the PAF was funding their development.
I think the J31 project is going to be a massive boon for Pakistan irrespective of whether they actually buy any, although it would certainly be a most attractive prospect. All of the subsystems like new 5th gen engines, AESA radar and avionics developed for the J31 would almost be perfectly scaled for the JF17. That means that the JF17 future blocks can look forward to far greater choices for upgrade options, and those upgrades should also become available sooner and be cheaper than if just the PAF was funding their development.