JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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plawolf
Lieutenant General
No, he was talking about India trying to pressure Myanmar.
China has never officially ruled out buying JF17s, in fact, when the programme was first started, China promised to also buy 200 of the jets in order to convince Pakistan to invest.
However, the Chinese have show little interest or inclination to buy any JF17s, and Pakistan is happy enough with the performance of the jet and how the programme has progressed to not feel a need to press China on the matter.
Personnally, I think a deal was reached behind closed doors. Rather than have the JF17 being a true partnership programme, which would have meant both the PAF and PLAAF making compromises in terms of the design of the plane to accommodate the wants and needs of the other, and risk the programme getting bogged down with delays and spirally costs, as has happened to pretty much every other such collaborative effects, China gave Pakistan total control and ownership of the programme in exchange for allowing China to back out of its earlier commitment to also buy the jet.
I think it is a significant detail that whenever talking about the JF17, the Pakistanis always make a very big point about it being a plane tailor made for the wants and needs of the PAF.
Zahid
Junior Member
I have been tracking JF-17 program since 1993-4. There is not an argument against this program that I have not come across. One by one all these have fallen by the wayside as the program powered ahead due to PAF's determination and China's support. Some outstanding examples are:
1. Pakistan can not build it, because.....
2. China is using Pakistan. They can not design a viable Fighter aircraft from ground-up, because...
3. JF-17 would be no more than a clone of Mig-21 and the product would be inferior, because....
4. The plane has no Engine and Russia would never agree to supplying RD-93 to Pakistan, because....
5. The program is a failure and China would never order it, because.....
6. No other country would buy this plane, because....
7. JF-17 is inferior and it was 'withdrawn' from Bahrain air show, because....
All these dramas have been addressed, explained, and rebutted on this very forum a number of times, but these stories keep getting repeated ad-nauseum.
The only constant in this game is a dogged refusal to see the reality by Indian posters. They just keep coming back and again, and not just in relation to JF-17, but any and all Chinese military-related projects. One wonders what makes them keep repeating the same stories like this?
Going forward, the only factor working against JF-17 is pressure on prospective buyers from Indian government. One can see it as a positive on behalf of JF-17 / FC-1. Clients are being approached by India to dissuade them. That is a moral victory for this project.
1. Pakistan can not build it, because.....
2. China is using Pakistan. They can not design a viable Fighter aircraft from ground-up, because...
3. JF-17 would be no more than a clone of Mig-21 and the product would be inferior, because....
4. The plane has no Engine and Russia would never agree to supplying RD-93 to Pakistan, because....
5. The program is a failure and China would never order it, because.....
6. No other country would buy this plane, because....
7. JF-17 is inferior and it was 'withdrawn' from Bahrain air show, because....
All these dramas have been addressed, explained, and rebutted on this very forum a number of times, but these stories keep getting repeated ad-nauseum.
The only constant in this game is a dogged refusal to see the reality by Indian posters. They just keep coming back and again, and not just in relation to JF-17, but any and all Chinese military-related projects. One wonders what makes them keep repeating the same stories like this?
Going forward, the only factor working against JF-17 is pressure on prospective buyers from Indian government. One can see it as a positive on behalf of JF-17 / FC-1. Clients are being approached by India to dissuade them. That is a moral victory for this project.
MastanKhan
Junior Member
Hi,
The reason for the pressure that is that the final product for sale was not in production and the aircraft was being pitched for sale---ie the 2 seater----.
Secondly---if the thales electronic suite would have been available for this aircraft from day one---again there would have been no problems with the sales either---.
It is just because of the hurdles that the projected sales got delayed---.
Equation
Lieutenant General
Denial and the sense of reality that China is ahead of them in so many ways with Pakistan as their ally to benefit from as well.
Can anyone update the status of PT-06 ... ??
Thanks for the reply
Sure, i was making the point that the conspiracy theory about India 'using leverage' cant be used with China, and their lack of order for the aircraft.
Interesting to read about it being not wanted by China. Hard to think of any other fighter aircraft designed by a country that doesn't want it themselves? Maybe say's a lot about the aircraft?
As for the Bahrain Airshow issue, i dont believe anyone on here said it was because the aircraft was inferior. The question was asked if anyone knew why the JF-17 didn't appear at two international trade shows in a row, where it was billed on the official airshow websites. I cant see where that was answered on this very forum once (apart from one half-theory by one fanboy). If nobody really knows, if there was no official reason given, then fine. That just left the issue open to speculation by some.
MastanKhan
Junior Member
There are not too many examples, but F-20, F-15 Silent Eagle and to a lesser degree some of the advanced F-16 variants comes to mind.
After appearing in the much higher profiled Paris airshow & Dubai airshow in 2015, appearing in the much smaller & lower profiled Bahrain airshow probably became highly redundant. Any country that's even remotely interested in JF-17 already got a good look at the aircraft in those 2 other air shows.