JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

FORBIN

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JF-17 less big get a payload cleary inferior ( mainly for A2G weapons ) more close Grippen but get a more big range on average 950 km as a F-16.
 

asif iqbal

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Main advantage over JF17 is the air to ground targeting systems

The F16 C/D block 52+ has many updated softwares and avionics which makes it a batter candidate for counter terrorism using sniper targeting pods

Jf17 block III might have the targeting pods and bombs and missiles to come with it but I don't know if it's going to be as good as the sniper and F16 combo

Hitting moving targets at high speed is the role the F16 does better than JF17

I hope the block III gets the best Chinese targeting pods
 

FORBIN

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Mainly main advantage cheaper ~ 20 mill $ and ofc can' t also able as an more expensive fighters, despite this do good money for less rich countries.

Don' t need so expensive fighters state of art aircrafts for many countries in more allow have a good number.

For capability/price F-16 is one the best maybe the best.
Grippen close JF-17 but Western more expensive to build, reasonnable but get a range a little low and as JF-17 A2G payload for it futur E/F better.


OT but fast :

The F16 C/D block 52+ has many updated softwares and avionics which makes it a batter candidate for counter terrorism using sniper targeting pods
Western aviation don' t need use expensive fighters for this operations use Tucano, Super Tucano or similar with less expensive weapons is the right choice these operations have begin since 15 years ! and politics, military unable going for it... !
Only exception if the base are far of area of operations in this case COIN aircrafts can have a range so short and necessary use fighter bombers.
 
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asif iqbal

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Yes K8 can do COIN but better long range fighter aircraft is best solution

Protection, range , endurance and accuracy plus the communication cross link to fighters is better
 

Franklin

Captain
I don't understand why the current versions of the JF-17 Thunder don't have pod integration. Why wouldn't the JF-17 Thunder have recon, jamming and targetting pod integration. Since a lot of the JF-17 Thunder's systems derives from the J-10. And we know the J-10 certainly have them.

And didn't we see the WMD-7 targetting pod displayed along side the JF-17 Thunder in Paris ? Is the CAC/PAC then engaged in false advertisement there ?
 

AndrewS

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For COIN and anti-terrorism, wouldn't it be better to just use drones which are even cheaper and have more persistence?
 

Blitzo

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I don't understand why the current versions of the JF-17 Thunder don't have pod integration. Why wouldn't the JF-17 Thunder have recon, jamming and targetting pod integration. Since a lot of the JF-17 Thunder's systems derives from the J-10. And we know the J-10 certainly have them.

And didn't we see the WMD-7 targetting pod displayed along side the JF-17 Thunder in Paris ? Is the CAC/PAC then engaged in false advertisement there ?

JF-17 should absolutely be capable of accommodating targeting, recon and ECM pods, but there are all sorts of reasons as to why JF-17 at present may not yet have them.

One reason may be that current exportable targeting pods that are compatible with JF-17 may not be as good as what the PAF would prefer (such as Sniper pods on F-16s). Another reason is that maybe that current JF-17s do not have a dedicated pod station therefore the PAF do not believe sacrificing a weapons station for a pod is presently worthwhile. Or maybe it is a case that the PAF have limited funds and would prefer to use JF-17s in more dedicated A2A roles with A2A weapons integration first before following up with integration of additional multirole capabilities, and that they are willing to continue using F-16s, drones and other weapons for the strike and airborne ISR role... or maybe it is a combination of such reasons.

Advertising that an aircraft has the capability to integrate certain weapons or pods is different to whether the customer would actually choose to integrate them.

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Out of all the possible reasons as to why JF-17 does not have a certain pod or weapon integrated, "false advertising" is one of the least likely reasons.
 

FORBIN

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Yes Drones also but really actual fighters bombers too expensive with her weapons also and built for be used against a real Army.

But OT and IIRC we get a thread for COIN aircrafts.
 

AndrewS

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Here's an example of how I look at COIN

JF-17 = $20million

4x CH-4 Drones = $4million

So the drones end up 5x cheaper than a JF-17 whilst providing way more COIN capability.
 
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