Blackstone
Brigadier
That explains why surplus F-16s are so popular.
JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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That explains why surplus F-16s are so popular.
thunderchief
Senior Member
Well, we could argue did JF-17 came too late on the market, but that is another story .
It's amazing that you can draw the conclusion from the speculation that JF-17s have not been used in a real combat.
The truth is, from various internet sources we already know that these aircraft have not only been used in the anti-terrorist operation in South Waziristan, but also taken part in several formal exercises which include the very recent one with the Chinese PLAAF.
Next time use your brain not your imagination to draw any conclusion.
Blackstone
Brigadier
I'm not sure if PAFs used JF-17s in actual combat, that's why I asked. You say its been used in combat, kindly provide source and link to support your claim.
Laddie, you might want to rephrase that...Next time use your brain not your imagination to draw any conclusion.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Please read what I wrote before.
Blk1 JF17s are primarily air superiority with limited ground attack. Full multirole will come in later blocks.
There is nothing unusual or surprising about such a developmental track, and is in fact the standard developmental process pretty much all existing multirole fighters went through when they were first introduced.
Trench 1 Typhoons where air superiority only, same with the Rafale, Gripe, J10 and any other fighter modern fighter. Even the veneratable F16 started life as an air superiority fighter.
The rational and logic behind this is pretty straight forward. By introducing new fighters as air superiority only first, you get planes to units years earlier compared to waiting for the full spec multi-role version.
As more weapons, sensors and other accessories are integrated, the original earlier batch planes can be retrofitted with the latest features during upgrades to bring the whole fleet up to the same standard.
It makes no sense to try and make something out of such a total non-issue. The only factor influencing the decision on not using JF17s is one of random luck. Had these strikes been needed a few years later, after the Blk2s had been inducted, odds are JF17s would probably have been used.
Blackstone
Brigadier
So, the bottom line is JF-17s haven't been used in combat, and it's not clear when they will, and nations that want to replace their Mig 21 and F-7x might consider JF-17s, but not Block I models.
thunderchief
Senior Member
Bottom line is that JF-17 was primarily designed to fulfill Pakistan's needs for air defense fighter in light of US refusal to supply F-16 and some other equipment, and Indian air force modernization during 90's . You need to remember that up to 2002. PAF only had some older F-16s armed with AIM-9 , and older generation planes like J-7 and Mirage III or V . On the other hand, India acquired Mig-29 and Mirage-2000 armed with long range missiles, which resulted in complete Indian air dominance during Kargil war in 1999. . Therefore, Block 1 is primarily tailored to those basic Pakistani needs and we shall see what would happen with further upgrades.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
If you are targeting ground targets in rough terrain at high altitude you need precision weapons and smart bomb, and since JF-17 Block I does not actually carry any smart or precision weapons as of now apart from a few dumb bombs there is no way it can be used for attacking ground targets
Block I was the first 50 units proof of principle showing at air shows proving that Pakistan and build under transfer a modern fighter jet thanks to the Chinese
Not only that just look at the weapons package that is being tested and integrated at PAC on the test units there's a whole arsenal of weapons ready to go as a matter of fact the operating weapons package the Block II has is unrivalled
JF-17 Block II is the real deal IFR, AWACS integration and full weapons package and also Pakistan has the source codes so integration of a nuclear capable Ra'ad ALCM is now part of the potent package
So overall we have 50 units flying we have Block II under production and we are looking at a future Block III configuration and I remember back in the days when people said it's not even going to fly or reach production how wrong they were
Block I was the first 50 units proof of principle showing at air shows proving that Pakistan and build under transfer a modern fighter jet thanks to the Chinese
Not only that just look at the weapons package that is being tested and integrated at PAC on the test units there's a whole arsenal of weapons ready to go as a matter of fact the operating weapons package the Block II has is unrivalled
JF-17 Block II is the real deal IFR, AWACS integration and full weapons package and also Pakistan has the source codes so integration of a nuclear capable Ra'ad ALCM is now part of the potent package
So overall we have 50 units flying we have Block II under production and we are looking at a future Block III configuration and I remember back in the days when people said it's not even going to fly or reach production how wrong they were
Blackstone
Brigadier
I see! Said the blind man to his deaf dog, as he picked up his hammer and saw. We all look forward to JF-17 Block IIs soon.
Ok, kiddo, seems that you are too dumb to understand. I'll teach you again: next time when you deduce, use your brain if you have any, not your imagination.
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