JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

Lion

Senior Member
?? You think AVIC is doing this for free? Of course, they are profiting.

Are you assuming any tom dick harry business , investment are always profitable? Then everybody in this world.will be rich. Lolz..
 
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delft

Brigadier
OT or not:
The development of the situation around Afghanistan suggest that all SCO members and most of the aspirant members, including Russia and Pakistan will need to cooperate to manage this matter, whether the US forces remain in that country or not. There are good political reasons to not interfere in the sale of Russian engines to Pakistan. It would even be in the interest of India because that cooperation is likely to include India and might help end tension between the neighbors.
 

Zahid

Junior Member
OT or not:
The development of the situation around Afghanistan suggest that all SCO members and most of the aspirant members, including Russia and Pakistan will need to cooperate to manage this matter, whether the US forces remain in that country or not. There are good political reasons to not interfere in the sale of Russian engines to Pakistan. It would even be in the interest of India because that cooperation is likely to include India and might help end tension between the neighbors.

I doubt Indians would ever take this view. For them Afghanistan is an opportunity to encircle Pakistan. Afghanis, true to their instincts, are milking everyone involved.

I appreciate your nuanced and strategic view of this matter from an unexpected angle.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Seems like CM-400AKG has not been test fired from JF17 something to look forward too

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i.e.

Senior Member
I doubt Indians would ever take this view. For them Afghanistan is an opportunity to encircle Pakistan. Afghanis, true to their instincts, are milking everyone involved.

I appreciate your nuanced and strategic view of this matter from an unexpected angle.

It requires true visionary to see that a stable Afghanistan, not matter how close they are to your "swore enemy" is good for yourself (India). no matter how good it is to your "swore enemy" . that's why.... from what I gathered anyways.. actually likes it when Americans are in Afghanistan. at least keep a lid on things. a truly nightmare is a fractured war tore Afghanistan. In that respect china is closely aligned with America on that issue.
 

i.e.

Senior Member
Are you assuming any tom dick harry business , investment are always profitable? Then everybody in this world.will be rich. Lolz..

Chinese government gives a ultra cheap loan/cash to pakistan, pakistan use it to buy JF-17 parts from AVIC for its assembly at Karma. Pak Gets a very cheap very good airplanes, AVIC and their cronies at CATIC counts the bills. Chinese government gets a nifty ready-for-sale export fighter for geopolitical influence. every one is happy.
 
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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Chinese government gives a loan to pakistan, pakistan use it to buy JF-17 parts from AVIC for its assembly at Karma. Pak Gets airplanes, AVIC counts the bills.

Obviously a very informed person, Pakistan paid $800 million in 2007 for production of 42 JF-17
 

i.e.

Senior Member
Obviously a very informed person, Pakistan paid $800 million in 2007 for production of 42 JF-17

yes! And it is in the interest of china to give whatever help it can to pak. I am saying if I was chinese gov't, I would give it away for free, or for $1 a airplane, to PAF.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
yes! And it is in the interest of china to give whatever help it can to pak. I am saying if I was chinese gov't, I would give it away for free, or for $1 a airplane, to PAF.

Then you probably wouldn't get very far in the Chinese militray because that is not how it's works
 

Dizasta1

Senior Member
Trade is trade, business is business ...... everyone's gotta make money and China and Pakistan are no exception. This whole idea about giving aircraft's to Pakistan for free or for $1/aircraft is nonsense.

Everything has a value, be it the aircraft, the engines and spare-parts. Most importantly, the friendship and alliance b/w Pakistan and China has an incalculable value. As such, one would not be careless with throwing ideas of free aircraft. That sort of approach under-cuts the friendship between nations. The FC-1/JF-17 is a testament to the hardwork, commitment, dedication and ingenuity of Chinese and Pakistani aeronautical engineers, technicians, aircraft-designers and etc. And the value you put for this, is certainly not $1, even if the customer is Pakistan itself.

It is a matter of integrity, mutual honor and respect and most of all business sense, whereby Pakistan purchases these aircraft from China, either outright payment or via financing. And I am most certain, that all Thunders produced, purchased and inducted will be paid for and taken full ownership of.

That's sort of approach any credible combat-aircraft manufacturer will display.
 
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