JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[Lion]

Re: is JF-17/FC-1 good enough? why doesn't China supply J-10 to Pakistan instead?

India could do the same selling weapons to Taiwan or Vietnam

LOL.. What can India send to Taiwan that interest them?

What an ignorant suggestion! LCA is running with an ameican engine and their kaveri is far from actual acceptance. Even that the radar is Israel..

NOTHING...

 

[Semi-Lobster]

The simple fact though is that Taiwan's aerospace industry have atrophied SIGNIFICANTLY since the days of the IDF. The production line has closed and key people have left the country for places such as Korea and the US. Not to say they couldn't restart production, afterall AIDC are refurbishing IDF's to C/D standard but it will require a LOT of time and a LOT of investment. AIDC has access to more sophisticated electronics than India but say... if India were to provide Tejas kits to the ROC like the Su-27SK kits the Russians provided to China in the 90s, and Taiwan were to complete them with indigenous electronics and compatibility with Taiwanese weapons (TC-1 and TC-2) it would be... the least painful option. Simple put though, the ROC is in a VERY tough position. They have let AIDC sink in priority in the belief that the US would sell more F-16s to Taiwan and now that belief has proven to be... uncertain. Very few countries are willing to export military equipment to Taiwan for obvious reasons and it would take several years of reinvestment for AIDC to be able to resume IDF production. Options are limited.

 

[Lion]

Actually, all those recent incident is a good news for PAF and development of FC-1. Pakistan realise now there is only one option which is the Chinese option and no other(western or Russia)

Pakistan is dragging too long with FC-1 trying to bargain with China over it avionics package and weapon system. If they do not try to play around of trying to intergrate of western radar and BVRAAM into JF-17 (Remember they try to court French Thales of RC400 radar and Mica missiles). JF-17 now shall have long ago attain BVR operational status with SD-10.

With the current situtation. Emergency delivery of these jet will be priority rather than waiting trying to get the best/advance package possible. Something like India ways of procuring defense equipment which is too tedious and draggy.

Mass production of JF-17 will proceed and more standardise of avionics and weapon will implement which speed up everything and make JF-17 more organised and affordable. PAF might even be willing to accept WS-13 engines immediately once its cert for operational uses. JF-17 will come in a real full package and more appealing for potential export countries.

 

[i.e.]

if India were to provide Tejas kits to the ROC like the Su-27SK kits the Russians provided to China in the 90s, and Taiwan were to complete them with indigenous electronics and compatibility with Taiwanese weapons (TC-1 and TC-2) it would be... the least painful option. Simple put though, the ROC is in a VERY tough position. They have let AIDC sink in priority in the belief that the US would sell more F-16s to Taiwan and now that belief has proven to be... uncertain. Very few countries are willing to export military equipment to Taiwan for obvious reasons and it would take several years of reinvestment for AIDC to be able to resume IDF production. Options are limited.

Let's be real here.

The Tejas CKD kits HAL provides will be more of a danger to ROCAF pilots then to PLAAF.

If ROCAF has a need for a fighter. why not buy from CAC, FC-1 would be good.

 

[Semi-Lobster]

Let's be real here.

The Tejas CKD kits HAL provides will be more of a danger to ROCAF pilots then to PLAAF.

If ROCAF has a need for a fighter. why not buy from CAC, FC-1 would be good.

Somebody needs to edit an FC-1 into ROCAF colours ASAP

 

[delft]

That's an absolute pathetic "news" article!
Out of all the things Gilani did and discussed in his trip to China, they cherry picked this one, blew it out of proportion and tied the whole Sino-Pakistan relationship to this fighter jet deal.
But what annoys me the most, is how the US media thinks everything is related to and about them; China is "giving" Pakistan fighter jets, then it must be in response to our bin Laden raid.
They have no concept that China and Pakistan's relationship is much more than arms deals, much deeper than US's war in Afghanistan...there's real meaning and reason behind why Pakistan calls China a "all weather friend and ally".


Ridiculous pieces of trash "news" articles like that one dont deserve to get mentioned.

Indeed, your description of the article is spot on. And anyone who doesn't know about Asian politics but does know about aircraft will recognize it as such, as well as people who know about the politics and not about aircraft. But WSJ is one of the "heavier" US newspapers and is likely to be taken seriously by ignorant politicians and bankers.

 

[A.Man]

Price Tag: US$20-25 million?

Pakistan Awaits 50 Jets Made With China: MinisterAGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 20 May 2011 07:28


BEIJING - Pakistan hopes to take delivery within the next six months of 50 JF-17 fighter jets manufactured jointly with China, Defence Minister Ahmad Mukhtar said May 20 during a visit to Beijing.


Mukhtar made the comments on the sidelines of a meeting between Chinese President Hu Jintao and Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, who was wrapping up a four-day visit to China - his country's long-time ally.
"We think there is a good deal," said Mukhtar, who put the price of each JF-17, or Thunder, aircraft at $20 million to $25 million "as compared to $80 million for the F-16", a U.S.-built jet also used by Pakistan's air force.
Mukhtar did not explicitly say whether the deal had been finalized, but it appeared that the agreement was nearing completion.
Further details of the deal were not made public but the agreement was apparently discussed during the visit by Gilani, who met Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao earlier in the week.
China is Pakistan's main arms supplier and a close ally of Islamabad.
Pakistan's air force has a fleet of Chinese aircraft, including F-7PGs and A-5s, but also F-16s and French Mirages.
The neighbors began developing the JF-17 together in 1999 and has said it wants 250 of the jets. In November, Islamabad said it would buy Chinese missiles and flight systems for the jets, Chinese state media reported.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Price Tag: US$20-25 million?

Pakistan Awaits 50 Jets Made With China: MinisterAGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 20 May 2011 07:28


BEIJING - Pakistan hopes to take delivery within the next six months of 50 JF-17 fighter jets manufactured jointly with China, Defence Minister Ahmad Mukhtar said May 20 during a visit to Beijing.


Mukhtar made the comments on the sidelines of a meeting between Chinese President Hu Jintao and Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, who was wrapping up a four-day visit to China - his country's long-time ally.
"We think there is a good deal," said Mukhtar, who put the price of each JF-17, or Thunder, aircraft at $20 million to $25 million "as compared to $80 million for the F-16", a U.S.-built jet also used by Pakistan's air force.
Mukhtar did not explicitly say whether the deal had been finalized, but it appeared that the agreement was nearing completion.
Further details of the deal were not made public but the agreement was apparently discussed during the visit by Gilani, who met Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao earlier in the week.
China is Pakistan's main arms supplier and a close ally of Islamabad.
Pakistan's air force has a fleet of Chinese aircraft, including F-7PGs and A-5s, but also F-16s and French Mirages.
The neighbors began developing the JF-17 together in 1999 and has said it wants 250 of the jets. In November, Islamabad said it would buy Chinese missiles and flight systems for the jets, Chinese state media reported.

Didn't some one come up with the price of 15 million back in the days?

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Didn't some one come up with the price of 15 million back in the days?

Apparently they are getting upgraded radar, and electronics from Nanjing 14th institute. Must be pretty high tech for that kind of price hike.

 

[bingo]

Didn't some one come up with the price of 15 million back in the days?

Price of JF-17 cannot be determined, till there is an actual sale price involved.

But what is important is the cost of manufacture, in this particular case.

I don't think this will be too bad for China ..... esp if they can put the local engine in place of RD-93. If not, then RD-93 alone will cost a couple of millions in hard cash.

A flip side off course if that if WS-13 misbehaves in the hands of PAF pilots, it could give a bad name to JF-17 .... and hurt it's saleability to real clients who may be willing to pay. More so, because it is difficult to hide news from Pakistan.