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Blitzo

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Jeff Head said:
To let the Chinese know that they should not consider violating Japanese air space, and punctuating that point.
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Interestingly, China has sent in unarmed Y-12 prop planes (small, pathetic things, basically cessnas) that have intruded into diaoyu/senkaku airspace, yet the Japanese never mentioned anything about shooting down those before...


I think this Japanese move regarding UAVs have two motivations:
1: The japanese (and the rest of the world) were caught a little off guard when the PLA sent a BZK-005 on such a relatively distant patrol.
2: The japanese are naturally a bit more wary regarding a BZK-005 entering their airspace than a Y-12 (although technically both are unarmed and all BZK-005 offers beyond Y-12 is a more potent FLIR and electronics suite), as it is a "military" aircraft
3: The BZK-005 of course is unmanned, meaning it cannot respond to hails from intercepting fighters as a manned aircraft can. However the JSDF probably calculate that they would have far less to lose if they were shooting down an unmanned military drone compared to a manned, and relatively benign looking Y-12 (the latter of which has actually entered "japanese" air space)

If JSDF says they'll start shooting down manned aircraft too, that's when you know things are getting real.
 
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SS 506 Kokuryu launched yesterday

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SamuraiBlue

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Bltizo said:
Interestingly, China has sent in unarmed Y-12 prop planes (small, pathetic things, basically cessnas) that have intruded into diaoyu/senkaku airspace, yet the Japanese never mentioned anything about shooting down those before...


I think this Japanese move regarding UAVs have two motivations:
1: The japanese (and the rest of the world) were caught a little off guard when the PLA sent a BZK-005 on such a relatively distant patrol.
2: The japanese are naturally a bit more wary regarding a BZK-005 entering their airspace than a Y-12 (although technically both are unarmed and all BZK-005 offers beyond Y-12 is a more potent FLIR and electronics suite), as it is a "military" aircraft
3: The BZK-005 of course is unmanned, meaning it cannot respond to hails from intercepting fighters as a manned aircraft can. However the JSDF probably calculate that they would have far less to lose if they were shooting down an unmanned military drone compared to a manned, and relatively benign looking Y-12 (the latter of which has actually entered "japanese" air space)

If JSDF says they'll start shooting down manned aircraft too, that's when you know things are getting real.
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Another point would be that the unmanned drone had no insignia stating which nation it belong to. That is why within the original reporting JSDF called it a drone of unknown origin.
The Y-12 on the other hand clearly marked that it belongs to PRC fishing agency or something.
 
shen

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That's not really comparable. The paparazzi tried to get way to close, whereas there's no need for the ASDF to get close enough for an inadvertent collision just to take a picture. (Plus Diana wasn't wearing a seatbelt, but that's a different story.)

Jeff is right, the point is that the Japanese government is making it clear China shouldn't be tempted to actually fly a drone or aircraft through their airspace. One of the problems with these sorts of disputes is that they can continue to escalate.
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just a misguided attempt to get a LOL :) not serious of course.

Of course China won't violate undisputed Japanese airspace. The disputed airspace around Diaoyudao is a different story.
 
Jeff Head

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Rutim said:
SS 506 Kokuryu launched yesterday

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That's the sixth. There are nine planed, correct?

These are very, very effective AIP Diesel/Electric subs. I believe they would give any other AIP sub a run for its money, including the German Type 212s. Interesting to see how the two differing AIP technologies go. Sterling vs PEM. I have to say that the PEM is very intriguing.

Germany has six of the Type 212s now too.
 
shen

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Bltizo said:
Interestingly, China has sent in unarmed Y-12 prop planes (small, pathetic things, basically cessnas) that have intruded into diaoyu/senkaku airspace, yet the Japanese never mentioned anything about shooting down those before...


I think this Japanese move regarding UAVs have two motivations:
1: The japanese (and the rest of the world) were caught a little off guard when the PLA sent a BZK-005 on such a relatively distant patrol.
2: The japanese are naturally a bit more wary regarding a BZK-005 entering their airspace than a Y-12 (although technically both are unarmed and all BZK-005 offers beyond Y-12 is a more potent FLIR and electronics suite), as it is a "military" aircraft
3: The BZK-005 of course is unmanned, meaning it cannot respond to hails from intercepting fighters as a manned aircraft can. However the JSDF probably calculate that they would have far less to lose if they were shooting down an unmanned military drone compared to a manned, and relatively benign looking Y-12 (the latter of which has actually entered "japanese" air space)

If JSDF says they'll start shooting down manned aircraft too, that's when you know things are getting real.
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That's a very good point. In addition to the reason you mentioned, I think there is another reason why the Japanese view the UAV as a greater threat.
Imagining if China decide to fly repeated UAV sorties on a 24/7 basis and continuously provoke Japanese intercepts. How long before Japanese logistics break down due to lack of maintenance to fighters and crew fatigue?
 
SamuraiBlue

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Japan, Russia agree to expand defense cooperation

TOKYO —Japan and Russia held their first high-level defense and diplomatic talks Saturday and agreed to step up cooperation between their militaries amid regional security concerns such as North Korea and China.

Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida and Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera, and their Russian counterparts Sergei Lavrov and Sergei Shoigu also agreed to hold joint military and anti-piracy exercises and establish a defense consultation framework. Their countries’ defense ties are geared up toward peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific region and would not affect existing alliances, including one between Japan and the U.S., they said.

Lavrov told a news conference after Saturday’s talks that upgrading defense ties between the two countries could serve their national interests in resolving terrorism and North Korea’s nuclear threats, as well as other regional disputes. He welcomed the talks as a landmark development for Russia and Japan, and said that this new cooperation would not interfere with the Japan-U.S. alliance.

Kishida also said that Japan’s alliance with Washington remains “the cornerstone” of Tokyo’s foreign and security policy.

Earlier Friday, Japan and Russia agreed to continue discussing a territorial dispute that has kept the nations from signing a peace treaty.

“We need to act constructively. We should not be emotional, and avoid provocative remarks,” Lavrov said in Friday’s news conference.......
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Looks as if the train for the northern territory had not left after all.
 
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