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Jeff Head

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mr.bean said:
my point is that it was cheap anti china propaganda because like I said the Chinese NEVER sent any UAV into japan airspace nor did they send into disputed airspace that is claimed by both japan and china.
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How was it propoganda?

On September 8th the Chinese sent two H-6Gs maritime aircraft between the Miyako Islands and Okinawa before returning to the East China Sea. The Japanese Self Defense Air Force intercepted them with F-15s from Naha and escorted them as they flew. No shots fired, no lock-ons, no belligerence, just an intercept that let the PLAN know that China was watching.

Here's a picture from the Japanese of one of the H-6Gs.


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The next day, September 9th, the Chinese flew a UAV much closer to the Islands and when the Japanese saw it, they responded with F-15s again to intercept it. My guess is that the UAV got a lot closer before the Japanese saw it because of its size, shape, and probably its altitude. After the incident, Japan issues a warning that a UAV that entered their air space would be fair game.

Here's a picture the Japanese released of the intercept of the UAV.


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Looks like a Wing Loong UAV to me, which is a Chinese UAV that is very similar to the Predator.

There is nothing terribly unusual about all of this...not even the statement by the Japanese regarding a UAV that violates their air space.

I just think it is being blown out of proportion. If air space was violated, that would be more serious. Right now, IMHO, its more just an ongoing cat and mouse game.
 
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Blitzo

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I think what mr bean is trying to say I that te JSDF are generalizing non airepace incursion patrols into an act which they are trying to push as threatening.
Most PLAN or PLAAF transits between their islands are quite heavily reported on. Their wariness is natural of course, china has only recently started such consistent maneuvers. But the way it is being phrased by Japanese media makes it seem like china is the aggressor in this dispute without looking at context and without understanding other military norms where it is normal for a country's navy or Air Force to deploy far from its borders and claim freedom of navigation etc.


The UAV is a bzk-005
 
shen

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That's BZK-005 Sea Eagle. It wasn't in Japanese airspace. No Chinese military aircraft have entered Japanese airspace. Sovereign airspace is 12nm from shore. According to international law, Chinese military aircraft are free to travel between Miyako and Okinawa as long as they don't violate the 12nm airspace.
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Jeff Head said:
How was it propoganda?

On September 8th the Chinese sent two H-6Gs maritime aircraft between the Miyako Islands and Okinawa before returning to the East China Sea. The Japanese Self Defense Air Force intercepted them with F-15s from Naha and escorted them as they flew. No shots fired, no lock-ons, no belligerence, just an intercept that let the PLAN know that China was watching.

Here's a picture from the Japanese of one of the H-6Gs.


The next day, September 9th, the Chinese flew a UAV much closer to the Islands and when the Japanese saw it, they responded with F-15s again to intercept it. My guess is that the UAV got a lot closer before the Japanese saw it because of its size, shape, and probably its altitude. After the incident, Japan issues a warning that a UAV that entered their air space would be fair game.

Here's a picture the Japanese released of the intercept of the UAV.


Looks like a Wing Loong UAV to me, which is a Chinese UAV that is very similar to the Predator.

There is nothing terribly unusual about all of this...not even the statement by the Japanese regarding a UAV that violates their air space.

I just think it is being blown out of proportion. If air space was violated, that would be more serious. Right now, IMHO, its more just an ongoing cat and mouse game.
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Jeff Head

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shen said:
That's BZK-005 Sea Eagle. It wasn't in Japanese airspace. No Chinese military aircraft have entered Japanese airspace. Sovereign airspace is 12nm from shore. According to international law, Chinese military aircraft are free to travel between Miyako and Okinawa as long as they don't violate the 12nm airspace.
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The Japanese never said it was in their air space. Neither the UAV or the H-6Gs the day before. They thought the UAV might be going there, so they intercepted it. There is also nothing wrongwith them flying in international air space in the vicinity of another aircraft in international air space.

The Japanese simply stated that if the Chinese UAV ventured into Japanese air space and did not heed warnings, it could be shot down.

As I said, a lot of news/reports/drama about nothing really.

Neither side did anything wrong. There will only be a problem if either side violates the air space, or the international right to travel of the other.

As to the actual drone:


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Chinese Wing Loong UAV



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Chinese BZK-005 Sea Eagle UAV
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The one the Japanese show does look like the pusher is not on the end, but more to the middle, so I am fine with it being the Sea Eagle.
 
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mr.bean

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Jeff Head said:
How was it propoganda?

On September 8th the Chinese sent two H-6Gs maritime aircraft between the Miyako Islands and Okinawa before returning to the East China Sea. The Japanese Self Defense Air Force intercepted them with F-15s from Naha and escorted them as they flew. No shots fired, no lock-ons, no belligerence, just an intercept that let the PLAN know that China was watching.

Here's a picture from the Japanese of one of the H-6Gs.


H-6-PLAN.png

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The next day, September 9th, the Chinese flew a UAV much closer to the Islands and when the Japanese saw it, they responded with F-15s again to intercept it. My guess is that the UAV got a lot closer before the Japanese saw it because of its size, shape, and probably its altitude. After the incident, Japan issues a warning that a UAV that entered their air space would be fair game.

Here's a picture the Japanese released of the intercept of the UAV.


Chinese-UAV.png

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Looks like a Wing Loong UAV to me, which is a Chinese UAV that is very similar to the Predator.

There is nothing terribly unusual about all of this...not even the statement by the Japanese regarding a UAV that violates their air space.

I just think it is being blown out of proportion. If air space was violated, that would be more serious. Right now, IMHO, its more just an ongoing cat and mouse game.
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yes I saw all those pictures on the news. the Chinese planes were passing international airspace and the Japanese were there to watch and take pictures. nothing wrong with both sides.

but why threaten to shoot down Chinese uav's when none have ever violated Japanese airspace. so if they do want to shoot them down it would be in international airspace. that was my point. it's the Japanese defence minister making a cheap shot at china just in front of the press.
 
Jeff Head

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mr.bean said:
...but why threaten to shoot down Chinese uav's when none have ever violated Japanese airspac?
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To let the Chinese know that they should not consider violating Japanese air space, and punctuating that point.

mr.bean said:
...so if they do want to shoot them down it would be in international airspace. that was my point. it's the Japanese defence minister making a cheap shot at china just in front of the press.
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Now, you are jumping to conclusions and projecting their intent by stating that they might do it in international air space.

Yet that is not what they said at all, and when they did intercept and take pictures of one in international air space, they did not threaten it.

I believe the Japanese were simply punctuating and informing the PRC of their policy at a time when the PRC is increasing its own activities and presence in the area. That's all.
 
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Mr T

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shen said:
Just taking pictures can be dangerous too, look what happened to Princess Diana.
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That's not really comparable. The paparazzi tried to get way to close, whereas there's no need for the ASDF to get close enough for an inadvertent collision just to take a picture. (Plus Diana wasn't wearing a seatbelt, but that's a different story.)

Jeff is right, the point is that the Japanese government is making it clear China shouldn't be tempted to actually fly a drone or aircraft through their airspace. One of the problems with these sorts of disputes is that they can continue to escalate.
 
Jeff Head

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shen said:
Just taking pictures can be dangerous too, look what happened to Princess Diana.
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Hehehe. That's not even an apples and oranges comparison, because both of them are at least fruit.

This is more like comapring an apple to a shoe lace or something. LOL!
 
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mr.bean

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Mr T said:
That's not really comparable. The paparazzi tried to get way to close, whereas there's no need for the ASDF to get close enough for an inadvertent collision just to take a picture. (Plus Diana wasn't wearing a seatbelt, but that's a different story.)

Jeff is right, the point is that the Japanese government is making it clear China shouldn't be tempted to actually fly a drone or aircraft through their airspace. One of the problems with these sorts of disputes is that they can continue to escalate.
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you're probably right. and I think the Chinese know that all along, warning or no warning because they never did violate Japanese airspace.
 
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