it seems to me china is very calm and are just ''playing'' with them. last time china sent a CMS Y-12 plane over that area and the japanese sent 8 F-15's up to intercept. the Chinese could easily send over an equal 8 J-11's to the party but they didn't. china can afford to be patient and just engage them for the time being but they can escalate when necessary.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/9/japan-dispatches-jets-drone-flies-disputed-islands/
they have come close bean so please cal. Yourself. The warning was meant as a warning. And if the Japanese did shot down a drone its not like China would go to war over it. Likely Beijing would demand an apology Japan would reject it and business as usual.
they have come close bean so please cal. Yourself. The warning was meant as a warning. And if the Japanese did shot down a drone its not like China would go to war over it. Likely Beijing would demand an apology Japan would reject it and business as usual.
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Zool
Junior Member
This perspective of thinking has had it's consequences in the past.
A well documented example would be the India - China Boarder War of the 60's. India pursued a change to the status-quo of the LAC through creeping military advances (called 'Forward Policy'). China issued multiple statements that it would not tolerate those actions and that it would defend it's territory as a core interest. India did not heed those warnings and we all know the result.
Regardless of which position you hold re: China & Japan, threat's and warnings between them should not be taken lightly. In China's case it has defined it's Core Interests so that others understand where it draws a red-line. At which point it see's that line being crossed can be a bit more difficult to determine.
Cheers,
Zool
Yes...and that logic/position cuts both ways.
One big difference though with your Indo-Sino example in the mountains. That was an actual land border, with mountain passes and access to both nations interior.
Here we are talking about isolated, unihabited small islands. I expect the "red line," or trigger in this case is somewhat lower on the scale for both nations.
Is a UAV that trigger? Could be...but I highly doubt it. Loss of life for military or governmental personnel trying to do their duty, or the loss of a major combatant vessel. Now that would be an entirely different matter.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
As long as their red line is not like Obama's redline!
Red line? What Red Line? He didn't set no Red Line...he was too busy leading from behind!
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my point is that it was cheap anti china propaganda because like I said the Chinese NEVER sent any UAV into japan airspace nor did they send into disputed airspace that is claimed by both japan and china. the Chinese are very careful in every move they make here so the Japanese trying to cry wolf here and be a drama queen. so if the Japanese did shoot down a Chinese drone OUTSIDE of japan airspace then its a different matter because the Chinese CAN PLAY THE SAME GAME TOO so they will feel free to shoot down any Japanese UAV they see fit. that's not a good move by japan. because if they want to escalate it, the Chinese will play ball. they don't want to initiate it but they will respond. if the Japanese are pissed about Chinese UAV then a better move is send their own UAV there.
that is a better tit for tat. I don't hear any Chinese defence minister saying they want to shoot down any Japanese uav in international airspace.
Zool
Junior Member
I agree the severity of advancing on a boarder versus downing a single UAV is different. My point was to how China in particular, historically communicates it's interests and willingness to engage in battle to defend those interests.
Ignoring or misreading the message can lead to a flair-up as seen in past examples. This is why nationalistic rhetoric and outright threats from either side can be dangerous.
Cheers,
Zool
Hello, my first post here
It's normal for SDF to report any movement near the Japanese borders no matter if that was Chinese, Russian or Korean navy. You'll get report and few pictures on governement pages everytime. The way now China gets over Pacific is pretty new and started just few months ago if I remember it well so that's how it's every time you something new so no wonder that's how Japanese public opinion takes it - you pay more attention when it's fresh, later on you treat it as normal and then you don't even care to read.
If they had sent it over Japanese airspace it would be on the bottom of the ocean already
So it's pointless to 'play ball' on Internet forums as it's pure waste of time. You could only observe and come up with some more or less grounded conclusions.