Japan intercepts PLAAF Y-8 near Japan

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Franklin

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Re: Japan to mull pre-emptive strike ability

rhino123 said:
Er... actually... many of the countries had already forgiven or forgotten what the Japanese had done... the Philippines for an example welcome Japanese help in countering China... and Singapore... most of its young people didn't really feel a thing about Japanese invasion in WWII and many (I would be so bold as to say) most youngsters might not even know much about WWII... and this would include not that young generation (those in the fifties)... I know... because I have an aunt that would rather go screwing everything that is China and praising anything that is Japan. So... yeah, that is a sad fact.

In that light... I am pretty confident to say that in the event of a war between China and Japan, many ASEAN nations (or at least some of them - eg. Singapore and Philippines) they might actually have sided with Japan. They might not want to get involve in conflict but they will side with the Japanese. I saw comments left in sg.yahoo.com and youtube (clips showing PRC in Singapore)... the youngsters or oldies (not sure) are mainly pretty harsh in their comments against the Chinese on the whole (which actually made me wonder)

Finally... I have seen youngsters in Singapore wanting to throw away Chinese language while they would rather learn Japanese (private lessons)... and that is soooo sad.

So... yeah... I do not really trust the reaction of the ASEAN neighbours to Japanese grow in military might... who knows? They might even feel alright, because the Japanese will be able to counter the 'China threat' that they felt right now.
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The problem for Japan is this. The ASEAN nations are not Japans immediate neighbors, they are still some what far off. Japans immediate neighbors will be nervous about Japans remilitarization or even the rhetoric of that like China, South Korea, North Korea and to lesser extend Russia. So Japan will become more isolated in her own region.

But i feel that the shadow boxing between China and Japan over islands is not the most pressing or dangerous issue right now. but rather its the economy. I believe that the Japanese economy is heading towards massive upheavels as a result of their current policies. The Japanese people by massively giving their votes to Shinzo Abe and there for approving his policies have just fallen for a easy quick salution to a very complex problem. This usually don't end well. And Japans economic problems won't stay in Japan it will affect the rest of the world.
 
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Franklin

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Re: Japan to mull pre-emptive strike ability

Lion said:
Clearly they do, but to take it to a higher diplomacy level will probably damage economic ties consider Japan still has some strong investment made overseas.

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While both China and South Kore has made big economic strides that they can afford go loggerhead with Japan.
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The people of South East Asia view Japans role in WWII very differently than people in North East Asia like China and Korea. A lot of people in South East Asia view Japans war as a war of liberation as they defeated their colonializers like UK (Singapore, Malaysia, Myanmar) or France (Vietnam, Cambodia) or the Netherlands (Indonesia). For the people in North East Asia who has never been colonized by European powers Japans war is seen as outright agression and colonization. And i believe that the worst of Japans attrocities during WWII happend in North East Asia it was far less in South East Asia.
 
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Re: Japan to mull pre-emptive strike ability

Lion said:
Clearly they do, but to take it to a higher diplomacy level will probably damage economic ties consider Japan still has some strong investment made overseas.

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While both China and South Kore has made big economic strides that they can afford go loggerhead with Japan.
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Lol, Singapore's position on the Shrine visit is very clear - partly explained in the article itself. The reason why PM Lee never mentioned about the Shrine visits directly to Abe is simply how Asian countries show courtesy to each other during states visits.
 
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kroko

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Re: Japan to mull pre-emptive strike ability

cn_habs said:
Then you must not realize that only the South Koreans hate the Japanese as much as the Chinese. The rest of the Asians really see nothing wrong with Japan worshiping its internationally-convicted war criminals in shrines.

You, sir, clearly aren't up to date when it comes to this subject.
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Doesnt matter. ASEAN countries are not important to disputes betwen china and japan. Only the US and NE asian countries matter (including russia, who surely is getting nervous with japan expanding its marine forces and be willing to go into offensive. Remember the kuril islands dispute?).
 
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Lion

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Re: Japan to mull pre-emptive strike ability

Franklin said:
The problem for Japan is this. The ASEAN nations are not Japans immediate neighbors, they are still some what far off. Japans immediate neighbors will be nervous about Japans remilitarization or even the rhetoric of that like China, South Korea, North Korea and to lesser extend Russia. So Japan will become more isolated in her own region.

But i feel that the shadow boxing between China and Japan over islands is not the most pressing or dangerous issue right now. but rather its the economy. I believe that the Japanese economy is heading towards massive upheavels as a result of their current policies. The Japanese people by massively giving their votes to Shinzo Abe and there for approving his policies have just fallen for a easy quick salution to a very complex problem. This usually don't end well. And Japans economic problems won't stay in Japan it will affect the rest of the world.
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Japan worldwide economic influence has long dilute by the rise of China and South Korea. Many of the products used to produce by Japan is replaceable so as the investment overseas. Except Japan Manga....
 
solarz

solarz

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First, I'd like to point out that the entire ASEAN put together doesn't have 1/10th the influence of the PRC. Therefore, simply counting the number of nations is misleading. China alone is a massive challenge that the Japanese people themselves, being a democracy, will have to come to terms with sooner or later.

So no offense, but the opinions of Singaporeans matter about as much as the opinion of Nigerians on this matter.

South Korea is a completely different story. First, it is a US ally as well. Second, its economic sphere of influence rivals that of Japan, putting it in a good position to replace Japan as China's trading partner should the need arise. Finally, the issue of North Korea serves as a double-edged sword that motivates SK to have good relations with China even as they have to deal with historical enmities.

Second, I agree with what Franklin has said. Japan's biggest problem right now is not China, but its economy. Abenomics is basically currency devaluation. Japan needs to import resources to maintain its economy, and military expansion is no exception. A cheaper yen simply means more expensive arms purchases. Therefore, Abe's two policies are working against each other, practically ensuring bad news for the Japanese economy.
 
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Who would have thought!! Japan will eventually default on its own citizens as the Yen gets more worthless by the day along with a shrinking working class and population. :lol:
 
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paintgun

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solarz said:
First, I'd like to point out that the entire ASEAN put together doesn't have 1/10th the influence of the PRC. Therefore, simply counting the number of nations is misleading. China alone is a massive challenge that the Japanese people themselves, being a democracy, will have to come to terms with sooner or later.

So no offense, but the opinions of Singaporeans matter about as much as the opinion of Nigerians on this matter.
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what an arrogant and ignorant thing to say

Singapore is the true gatekeeper of the Malacca Strait, if she was to block Chinese ship from passing through, there is nothing China can do to prevent that, not militarily or economically.
 
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paintgun

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Lion said:
Japan worldwide economic influence has long dilute by the rise of China and South Korea. Many of the products used to produce by Japan is replaceable so as the investment overseas. Except Japan Manga....
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Other than the massive economic clout it used to have, Japan has practiced her soft power since the 80s, when the movie and culture boom starts appearing in the West at that time.

Goethe Institute, British Council, Japan Foundation, and plethoras of American NGOs, China should start something like that as well.
 
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