J-XX Fighter Aircraft

Re: J-xx

zhouj said:

Are you intentionally daft? The point is not that the US military-industrial complex lacks information about the J-XX; it's that the Chinese complex has much better access to information about JSF capabilities than you ever will. Instead of addressing the fact that you made a critical flaw in your analysis, you divert it to an irrelevant topic. The reality is that your idea that PLA analysts and engineers have no ideas about JSF capabilities because it's "classified" is naive.

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The point is that the US would also have as much if not more access to China's MIC, including but not limited to, the J-XX. As I said before (and you adroitly skipped), the assumption of only China having classified J-XX secrets while ignoring that the vice-versa also holds true, is wrong. The J-XX's classified data is likely to be known to US.

zhouj said:

Again, you miss the point. The idea is that me telling you the exact chemical makeup of a polymer or composite does not necessitate you can instantly integrate it into a weapon system. I could tell you the manufacturing process and it would still take time to provide infrastructure capable of producing the required material in production quantities.

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Once manufacturing processes for any equipment are acquired, and infrastructure for the same is set into place, production of that equipment is only a matter of time. This is exactly what you have stated, but rephrased in a manner that accurately adjudges the lesser severity of the problem.

The US is also likely to have as much classified data on the J-XX, as do the Chinese on the JSF. Yet, there is difference in the motivations of both countries. The US needs to keep track of how much the J-XX is abreast of the latest technology and how closely does it approach the benchmark of the JSF and maybe even the F-22. But the Chinese espionage on JSF (if any) is motivated only to seek additional knowhow.

Just read this news from Sina Military, says the American think tanks recently acknowledged that there's no indication that China is developing a stealth fighter, and it also says China still lacks critical technologies and man power to develop a stealth fighter like F-35. Any thoughts or info regarding this news?

What I can say is that America can say whatever it wants to at this point, but we would have to wait and see.

If the US knew everything that went on in China's military then there wouldn't be calls for China to be transparent. And it seems to be very important to the West for China to be transparent meaning they don't have information they need.

Remember when it was said China could only make a handful of T-98s? They didn't see the Yuan until it was already in the water. They said China wouldn't be able to shoot down a satellite for another ten years. It was estimated that we wouldn't see the 093s and 094s until at least 2010.

Deja vu over and over again?

kw64 said:

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Just read this news from Sina Military, says the American think tanks recently acknowledged that there's no indication that China is developing a stealth fighter, and it also says China still lacks critical technologies and man power to develop a stealth fighter like F-35. Any thoughts or info regarding this news?

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There are hundreds of articles like this on Chinese military bbs all day. Don't believe 95% of them.

tphuang said:

There are hundreds of articles like this on Chinese military bbs all day. Don't believe 95% of them.

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But that article isn't from a BBS, it's on the Military News section of Sina.com, it's also on the Modern Military magazine, so I thought it has some credibility.

The article is credible insofar as it's an American's point of view. It seems that the Americans are at it again. Say something about China's being incapable of or not having the technology to do this or that , work them up a bit and sooner or later they'll show off something... lol.

kw64 said:

But that article isn't from a BBS, it's on the Military News section of Sina.com, it's also on the Modern Military magazine, so I thought it has some credibility.

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Yeah, that's the same thing. These sites normally get their articles from the same bad sources.
You have to watch the site and articles carefully.

kw64 said:

But that article isn't from a BBS, it's on the Military News section of Sina.com, it's also on the Modern Military magazine, so I thought it has some credibility.

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Oh, boy, did Bush say: "Iraq has WMD's?"

I would not be surprised at all if war broke out today you would see some sort of PRC stealth fighter deployed and fighting now.

I would imagine it would take the form of some twin engine, radar absorbing covered, mixture of both passive and active stealth features in the form of a J-10 type airframe.

Would not take much to have something stealthy, at night and in such a cluttered battle-space such as the Taiwan straits would be very hard to make good contact and identification depending on who is looking.

Remember there is going to be more radar contacts be it surface or air contacts than any American or for that matter RoC information collating systems can handle. Not to mention ECM dedicated aircraft throwing wrenches into the battle management system