J-XX Fighter Aircraft

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No good explanation.

To me, it looks like a cross between a Rafale and an F-22. Now if such a design would be a poor choice, then the photograph clearly has no basis in reality.

But if the design conforms enough with physics to be real, then there is a chance that it is a deliberately leaked "preview".

Such a preview may still be PS'd. It may be a real photograph that has been altered to hide details and only reveal the outline. But even then, it would have some basis in reality.

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I Want To Belive

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...some more desperetly than others

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Let's not forget there's a confirmed photo of J-XX



This new photograph is perfectly consistent with the cockpit photo. But it's impossible for somebody on the ground to be able to catch a low flying fighter jet like that. So the jet outline is definitely pasted on to the rest of the photo.

It's possible that this is a semi-official leak: an outline of the real J-XX altered to give a sneak preview without giving away too much detail. (Much like the cockpit photo.)

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Yeah, I have been wondering why this one still not showing up yet.

I don't think it's a PSed photo. It's a "toy" plane or plane model being hang by several threads (the shining ones under the sunlight). That's why the plane is actually "flying" beneath the "dark" lines, right in front the photographer standing on the ground.

Nice try actually, for the sake of labour.

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As of the cockpit picture, it only proves that a canard+twin vertical tail design concept did/do exist. There are other photoe evidences too. But it's dangerous to speculate too much furthur, e.g. whether it has gone into tech demo stage or project dev stage. It's quite possible that it's just the avionics software development team's decision to demo their new cockpit UI interface.

Remember the famous DDG168 model being publically displayed in the late 90s? Now we know the model was only to demo one Naval SAM producer's product, rather than the DDG itself. The only thing we could guess was there was a air defense plan for DDG168.

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fake.

First, the relative size of the aircraft to the roof of the building means that it is low flying.

And, you can tell the aperture of the len is small because the center of the photo is brighter than its edges. Therefore, the shutter speed of the camera is correspondingly slow, may be around 1/300-400.

With this shutter speed, the low flying aircraft flying at the speed of hundred miles per hr will be a blur, rather than what you are seeing now.

What's matter with these people? There is something about these people. They just to love fake Chinese weaponry.

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zyun8288 said:

It's a "toy" plane or plane model being hang by several threads (the shining ones under the sunlight).

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That would not be consistent with the slightly fuzzy outline or the matte coloration.

zyun8288 said:

As of the cockpit picture, it only proves that a canard+twin vertical tail design concept did/do exist. There are other photoe evidences too. But it's dangerous to speculate too much furthur, e.g. whether it has gone into tech demo stage or project dev stage.

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In the past, when new photos of PLA gear came out, two things happen: The majority of them are debunked quickly. But if they are not debunked quickly, those ones still hanging around as "maybes" often end up being proven to be real later.

For example: which one is the real WZ-10?

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/military-aviation-air-force/wz-10-a-41.html#post256

Real photos are very often believed to be PS! The Type 094 at the dock photos last year was also thought to be PS.

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With this shutter speed, the low flying aircraft flying at the speed of hundred miles per hr will be a blur, rather than what you are seeing now.

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Absolutely right. There's no doubt the outline was pasted on. The question is whether there is still "something to" the object that was pasted on. Is it merely somebody's creation, or does it have a basis in reality?

Notice that the outline is perfectly consistent with the confirmed cockpit photo showing the J-XX.

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If someone was trying to fake this picture, he could do many things, e.g. blur the "plane"

Also, in the past, when new "photoes" of Chinese military equipments appeared, MOST of them were called fake and in fact they were fake, just use your example WZ10 and do a search for the last 10 years. True photoes only show up in the very late stages. With J-XX, I seriously believe we are still in the very early stage: the PS/fake picture stage.

But, of course, these are smokes, I am waiting to see the real fire.

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I beg to differ. I don't know where you've been for the last two years, but "J-XX" photos have been circulating on the internet for a while now. You are right that first comes the fake ones, then the blurry real ones, then the clear real ones. But you've neglected to mention the fact that the vast majority of fakes are OBVIOUSLY fakes. The "close calls" have more often than not turned out to be real!

We've already seen the fake ones, even some real nice CGI's, including those published in magazines as concept art. But now I believe we are entering the phase where REAL PHOTOS are coming out. The first photo was the cockpit photo. We know FOR SURE this cockpit photo is coming from official Chinese military or military designers, not just some random guy from the internet.

In the past, when the PLA puts out something, it's always later proven to be the real deal. This silhouette is consistent with the cockpit photo -- that gives it at least a shade of credibility. It looks like some pieces may be falling into place.

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But why put canards on a F-22A class fighter? It sounds like one is trying to have both stealth and maneuverability, without excelling in either one.