Now I'm confused ... so you would change the order I suggested? Could you point out which ones do you think are in which order and what engines they use in your opinion?
J-35A fighter (PLAAF) + FC-31 thread
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Now I'm confused ... so you would change the order I suggested? Could you point out which ones do you think are in which order and what engines they use in your opinion?
My tentative theory is (from oldest to newest) no. 02 -> 01 -> 03
Reason being the hinge-type tail was allegedly a closer representation to the final production design, and 01 and 03 are from the same series of prototypes testing the new type of tails on different engines.
02, being a older prototype, was probably from an earlier series judging by the wear and the more conventional tails.
Edit: also, prototype 03 in fact has EODAS windows, but either covered up or the hardware themselves are straight-up not there.
Based on Deino's numbering scheme...
Looking closer, 01 and 02 appear to have the same nozzles/engines. 03 has different nozzles.
02's nozzles are black, and I believe this led to some confusion (people thinking 01 and 03 nozzles were the same).
Looking closer, 01 and 02 appear to have the same nozzles/engines. 03 has different nozzles.
02's nozzles are black, and I believe this led to some confusion (people thinking 01 and 03 nozzles were the same).
I don't think they're the same. 350003's inner serrations have more 'teeth' than the outer layer, while the 03 has the same amount of serrations inner and outer.
In fact, I think @Dylan Nguyen is right. 01 and 02 are probably the same type of nozzles except 02 is ceramic coated (?).
If you look closer you can see that 02's nozzles' inner serrations has more teeth than the outer layer. I reckon 350003 has the same nozzles as 01 but the God awful quality made it seems that the outer serrations has more teeth. 02 is just the nozzles of the 350003 and 01 but coated.
Besides, 03 has 12 petals per engine. Others have more.
Can China please sign a contract with Iran for 80-120 J35A jets, even at US$20m each for immediate delivery (as in 10 planes per month). Especially given the geo-political situation the world faces (Zionist aggression, US new presidency, etc.).
Ok my friend, first calm down your tone and stop with any such insulting & offensive country-bashing slogans!
Second. not sure what you smoked, but why do you think the nonsense you post?:
- sign a contract with Iran for 80-120 J35A jets ... maybe later, much later and especially if the political situation benefits China!
- US$20m each ... that's just pathetic, ridicolous! ... never ever will it cost only that bargain. Maybe US$120m each!
- immediate delivery (as in 10 planes per month) ... that type is not yet ready and surely not for export and even if a contract is signed today, deliveries of such a type usually take 2-3 years at a minimum!
As such again ... calm down and learn and most of all think before you post again such BS!
I would say maybe $50-60 million USD per J-35A plane. The JF-17 was claimed to cost $30 million USD I think.
Russia sells the MiG-35 for $40 million USD.
I am fairly certain that China would sell fighters to Iran, there is an extensive cooperation agreement, and they could be bartered with oil. But there will be no exports until after it enters service with the PLAAF I think.
However it is way more likely the first export client would be one of the regular Chinese weapons purchasers like Pakistan or Thailand.
Russia sells the MiG-35 for $40 million USD.
I am fairly certain that China would sell fighters to Iran, there is an extensive cooperation agreement, and they could be bartered with oil. But there will be no exports until after it enters service with the PLAAF I think.
However it is way more likely the first export client would be one of the regular Chinese weapons purchasers like Pakistan or Thailand.
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The production lines are not ready, and battles are fought as systems vs systems, not platform vs platform. First, the Iranians need to master networked warfare and IADS in particular, otherwise, an advanced 5th gen plane is simply wasted on them and will do nonsensical tasks in the air until it finally lands and then risks destruction.
Relevant authorities are helping them already - in the sectors that actually count, such as operating air defenses, creating a stable system of communications, learning how to cooperate engagements between different branches and so on. Not shoving advanced hardware into their face for free and then expecting something to happen.
Iran is well poised to defend itself and bleed potential invaders. With or without J-35. J-35 may come later when Iran has established a military that can make the best out of it. Payment is no issue, if they can't pay with direct cash, they can just pay in assets. These are valuable platforms.
China must seriously weigh Saudi reactions. I doubt there will be significant hardware sales until mutual peace is assured. Very tough balancing act when your enemy's enemy's enemy is your friend. Europe and the Middle East will always be powder kegs because the region is monotheistic so if I am righteous, you must be wrong/infidel. With no more outlets (i.e. colonialism), the kegs explode locally. If China avoids aligning closely with one side, there is more profit to be made from both sides. From Saudi and Iranian perspectives, I can see why both want to pull China in through arm purchases.
I don't think China needs to worry about losing either as friend without weapon sales because until recent years, there was no counter-weight to and dependencies on the Christian countries.