J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

Munir said:

I think the J20 will have more range/endurance with stealth mode (no external ordnance). Personally I think that will be the keyfactor. If you can turn and burn, it is nice but you pretty much destroy the stealth mode with that. What will matter is the way the computing power and sensors are added value... If Chine can move from J6 tot J20 in a decade or 2... I trust they can shock us with more.

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What do you think of China’s new J-20 stealth aircraft?

I was invited to watch the J-20’s first flight at Chengdu, and I asked the engineers a few questions. Fighter aircraft seem to have reached their maximum limits. Whether the aircraft is made in the U.S. or Russia, there is not much difference between the latest aircraft from these countries. Further development is limited by the physical stress a pilot’s body can tolerate. The U.S. is leading the way in the use of unmanned aircraft. I think there is a role for unmanned aircraft in China.

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siegecrossbow said:

Interesting new insights on the J-20 and China's potential sixth gen fighter, coming from a PLAAF Korean War ACE pilot:

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Lion said:

No doubt there is role for UAV.. I doubt UAV is able replace manned 5th gen fighter in the next 20 yrs.

Remember this commander retired in the 1993 where PLAAF still stuck in the era of dogfight only. Not even a single BVRAAM was available. Not to mention the kind advanced radar/ avionics , truely integrated air defense , datalink and strong EW aerial.
warfare.

He merely see from an angle of dogfight and outdated doctrine. While not from an area of whole package needed in modern era of aerial warfare.

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SteelBird said:

I can't agree with you, Lion. He retired in 1993 doesn't mean his knowledge stops at 1993's. He said "I think there is a role for unmanned aircraft in China." doesn't mean that when UAV exists, 5 gen manned aircraft will be obsolete but there is a potential role that UAV would be useful.

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peperez said:

Chinese J-20 and Russian T-50 are just prototypes. They are far from operations. Only after that one could say which is better.

Cheers

Pepe

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Player99 said:

And on top of that, even the F-22 never has experienced real battle, nobody can say for sure, at least nobody can convince others, how good it really is in battle, let alone in battle with the yet-to-be-inducted J-20 or T-50. Thus, anyone attempting to make such comparison borders on bullshitting with a straight face.

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Equation said:

UAV can play as support role for the maned fighter jets. Think of it as an auto pilot wing man that can be control either by land base, the pilot, or AEWAC crew.

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Air Force Brat said:

Munir said:

Red Flag/Top Gun, etc., etc., are beyond realistic, the only diff is that no live ammo is intentionally released, people strategize, fly, and fight to their full capability, airplanes break {F-15 in Missouri broke in half behind the cockpit, due to manu defect with the longerons], and people die [Capt Haney in Alaska] in F-22. Second Fatal While I appreciate your point and your candor, and your humor, your presupposition is inaccurate. To be perfectly honest, someone familiar with these aircraft can make an accurate prediction of how things will go in a real head to head. Yes every once in a while someone is lucky, [or good?], but that anamoly will be the exception rather than the rule, You can do it in your head, or on the computer, Dr. Song himself expains how good the engines on the Raptor are, and the airframe is very stealthy and very agile, and capable of ACM in Supercruise. It will be very tough to catch, let alone defeat, when Air Force Gen Mike Hostage states that it is the "the most capable combat aircraft in the world", he is not just "whistleing Dixie" He made this statement to the press at a May 7, 2012 news conference regarding the Raptor's deployment to the middle East, in which he also stated people pay attention to were this airplane goes, Gen Hostage is head of Air Combat Command.[COLOR="Silver

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Brat, my remarks were hardly contention to your arguments abovef. My key words are "in battle". And my sentiment is against armchair fighter performance analysts running amok on the Internet. Prediction would be legitimate and fairly accurate by a true expert such as Dr. Song or the pilots, especially those who have actually been on such aircraft themselves, or someone who really spends time studying these things. Even then, a prediction is just a prediction. And by definition and for its practical utility, a prediction has to be empirically proven to become a fact.

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Miragedriver said:

I know we are straying off topic here, but I’ve been curious about UVA’s and their possible roll as an AWCA aircraft were the operators are ground based, or controlled by a larger AWAC aircraft. These UAV’s could be used in high threat environments, by themselves, or to extend the range of existing AWAC when used in conjunction.
Any thoughts?

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Air Force Brat said:

Red Flag/Top Gun, etc., etc., are beyond realistic, the only diff is that no live ammo is intentionally released, people strategize, fly, and fight to their full capability, airplanes break {F-15 in Missouri broke in half behind the cockpit, due to manu defect with the longerons], and people die [Capt Haney in Alaska] in F-22. Second Fatal While I appreciate your point and your candor, and your humor, your presupposition is inaccurate. To be perfectly honest, someone familiar with these aircraft can make an accurate prediction of how things will go in a real head to head. Yes every once in a while someone is lucky, [or good?], but that anamoly will be the exception rather than the rule, You can do it in your head, or on the computer, Dr. Song himself expains how good the engines on the Raptor are, and the airframe is very stealthy and very agile, and capable of ACM in Supercruise. It will be very tough to catch, let alone defeat, when Air Force Gen Mike Hostage states that it is the "the most capable combat aircraft in the world", he is not just "whistleing Dixie" He made this statement to the press at a May 7, 2012 news conference regarding the Raptor's deployment to the middle East, in which he also stated people pay attention to were this airplane goes, Gen Hostage is head of Air Combat Command.[COLOR="Silver

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