J-20... The New Generation Fighter II

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kwaigonegin said:
let's not forget the wings also people! wings need to fold or in the case of tomcats be in "overswept" position for hanger storage! F-15 is too darn wide for ideal carrier storage never mind the non-buffed up landing gears.

F-15 Wingspan: 42 ft 10 in (13.05 m)

F-18 wings folded - 8.38 m

F-14 Wingspan:64ft 1.5in 19.54m (unswept)
38ft 2.5in 11.65m (swept)
33ft 3.5in 10.15m (overswept)
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Su-33 wingspan is 14.7m so...the F-15 has got nothing to cry about. The matter is the larger the aircraft is, the less you can carry, the smaller the aircraft is the more you can carry. But then looking at it the other way, the larger it is, the more range and payload it can deliver.

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Er... yes. Of course an F-15 could do all that. But the problem is, the F-15 (navalise version) would be very large and an aircraft carrier might carry lesser of them. What we see is only the dimensions of the F-15, what about its weight when compared to the F-18? I would believe it would be much heavier too.

Plus, F-15 was from the start not designed for carrier operation, and to do that much modification to the aircraft would essentially mean designing for a new aircraft, not very cheap and cost effective to do it.

As for J-20, the arguement was the same as above... plus China's aircraft carriers are not as large as the US and seeing the first aircraft carrier that goes without catapult, I don't think aircraft fo J-20's size and weight might proof to be too useful (modified) on the deck.
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Still don't think the J-20 will be serving on a carrier anytime soon. Ontop of that its a very large aircraft so the number of J-20 serving on the carrier will be small. Even the J-15 I think is too large for carrier operation.

The J-15 (if is even really called that) will be sufficient, currently the most advanced fighters serving on carriers are the F-18E/F, Rafale and F-35 (if it ever even gets into production). The J-15 with modernized avionics and weapons can hold it's ground. The Flanker heritage airframe is still very much potent in air combat.
 
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That tail hook on that Eagle means nothing. The air frame and the landing gear must be designed specifically for arrested landings.

mods note >>>This thread is about the J-20 So... Let's all ..

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bd popeye said:
That tail hook on that Eagle means nothing. The air frame and the landing gear must be designed specifically for arrested landings.

mods note >>>This thread is about the J-20 So... Let's all ..

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If someone has a copyright on that picture, Popeye would owe him/her a lot of money. :p
 
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bd popeye said:
That tail hook on that Eagle means nothing. The air frame and the landing gear must be designed specifically for arrested landings.
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if Typhoon and Grippen can be marketed as a carrier fighter, then I don't see how J-20 is not,

F-15 N version is used just as a relative guide.
 
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Conversion of the J20 too a Carrier Aircraft is a little more difficult then you think. the first one has too determine what kind of carrier, The F15-N was cooked up for a Catbar carrier. The Chinese seem too be looking STOBAR. So the better Base is too look at the Eurofighter Typhoon offer too the Indian Navy. that offering included conformal tanks and thrust vectoring nozzles, a beefed-up undercarriage, Up rated Tail hook and some strengthening of the airframe. The Grippen Can do Stobar because it was Designed for Short take off from short roads and landing on hard roads. Although some modifications would be needed too the gear And Tail hook.
Remember American,( upcoming QE Class) English and French based Carriers would demand a catapult launch system. Russian, Indian, and The Varyang for china Use Ski jumps.
yet most Nations with carriers are Vtol carriers using harriers, helicopters or both with the hope of upgrading too F35B's
 
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TerraN_EmpirE said:
Conversion of the J20 too a Carrier Aircraft is a little more difficult then you think. the first one has too determine what kind of carrier, The F15-N was cooked up for a Catbar carrier. The Chinese seem too be looking STOBAR. So the better Base is too look at the Eurofighter Typhoon offer too the Indian Navy. that offering included conformal tanks and thrust vectoring nozzles, a beefed-up undercarriage, Up rated Tail hook and some strengthening of the airframe. The Grippen Can do Stobar because it was Designed for Short take off from short roads and landing on hard roads. Although some modifications would be needed too the gear And Tail hook.
Remember American,( upcoming QE Class) English and French based Carriers would demand a catapult launch system. Russian, Indian, and The Varyang for china Use Ski jumps.
yet most Nations with carriers are Vtol carriers using harriers, helicopters or both with the hope of upgrading too F35B's
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And not to mention the RAM coating material need to be extensively tested against corrosion that comes native to operate at sea.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE said:
Conversion of the J20 too a Carrier Aircraft is a little more difficult then you think. the first one has too determine what kind of carrier, The F15-N was cooked up for a Catbar carrier. The Chinese seem too be looking STOBAR. So the better Base is too look at the Eurofighter Typhoon offer too the Indian Navy. that offering included conformal tanks and thrust vectoring nozzles, a beefed-up undercarriage, Up rated Tail hook and some strengthening of the airframe. The Grippen Can do Stobar because it was Designed for Short take off from short roads and landing on hard roads. Although some modifications would be needed too the gear And Tail hook.
Remember American,( upcoming QE Class) English and French based Carriers would demand a catapult launch system. Russian, Indian, and The Varyang for china Use Ski jumps.
yet most Nations with carriers are Vtol carriers using harriers, helicopters or both with the hope of upgrading too F35B's
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If J-20 was to be converted to fly off carriers it would be CATOBAR, not STOBAR -- currently the sound of things are that the first pair of indigenous carriers will feature steam cats... any follow on conventional or nuclear CVs will use cats as well. Only the varyag will feature a ski jump

I can't imagine the PLAN will waste the J-20s potential by forcing it to take off with reduced payloads from a ski jump. Tail hook, strengthened landing gear, corrosion proofing etc, would be I assume, not a problem for CAC, in comparison to the long road of developing the J-20 (they could even have SAC partake in a naval J-20) -- not that I beleive the PLANAF will necessarily choose J-20 as a fuure carrier based aircraft.

My point is that if you have developed a capable, advanced aircraft from the ground up, if you want to carrier proof it, it should only take a fraction of the time and money it took to develop the aircraft itself. And it should defintiely be only a fraction of the difficulty...
 
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