J-20... The New Generation Fighter II
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^^^ Thanks kwaigonegin!!
Gents, I moved 38 post to a more appropriate thread...
The End of the Carrier Age?
Great discussion by the way!
Gents, I moved 38 post to a more appropriate thread...
The End of the Carrier Age?
Great discussion by the way!
pugachev_diver
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I myself am Chinese and I love my country, but I have to make the point, that majority of the online rumours about Chinese military are either extremely exaggerated or just simply BS. I watched the online military fan sites grew in the early 2000's and personally experienced a lot of the first hand bullshit that emerged on those sites. The rumor about the ASBM first emerged around 2004-2005 on those Chinese fan sites. Originally it was just a disscussional proposal which talks about its feasibility and effectiveness. However, since 2006 and onwards, Chinese military fans were all somehow fed viagras or something, they all became super cocky and talk of outrageous ideas, such as ASBMs, "death laser" (apparently that could destroy a battle group within a minute), H-9 (Chinese B-2), construction of two 100,000 tons nuclear powered carriers, and all other kinds of wild and fucked up things. If any friends in this forum that are Chinese or either able to read Chinese, you probably will agree with my view.
Unfortunately, this ASBM discussion came out of those sites that are famous for this kinds of BS. And if any friends here ever really dug back to official Chinese news or interviews of Chinese military officials, none of them had discussed about this idea before, which is uncommon, because even top secret projects like the J-10, J-20 and even those nuclear submarines were openly discussed on TV prior to their debut.
Unfortunately, this ASBM discussion came out of those sites that are famous for this kinds of BS. And if any friends here ever really dug back to official Chinese news or interviews of Chinese military officials, none of them had discussed about this idea before, which is uncommon, because even top secret projects like the J-10, J-20 and even those nuclear submarines were openly discussed on TV prior to their debut.
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^^^ I second that. I think it may just be ignorance of weapon systems and the difficulties in developing hi-tech weapon platforms.
Also alot of them don't know the proper way of holding a debate, and really public speaking training is almost non-existent in east asia education. They tend to take opposing views too personally
back on topic.
Also alot of them don't know the proper way of holding a debate, and really public speaking training is almost non-existent in east asia education. They tend to take opposing views too personally
back on topic.
Red___Sword
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I know exactly what you mean buddy.
Keep insulting me and you won't be here long. You Savvy??
bd popeye super moderator
But I strongly feel BS the idea that J-20 carries anti-ship missile and do the suicide run to the aircraft carriers, and even more funny that some honest people (they speak frankly, instead of subtle-ly, which I pay respect) agrees J-20 carry anti-ship missile is bad idea while carry bombs is not.
As for the Blastical anti-ship "present", let's just keep it folded yet.
Buddy, if you are free enough, you can reference some of the threads HERE, to THERE (Chinese sites) for "OPEN SOME PEOPLE'S EYES", and versus wise.
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according to a TW defense magazine, majority of blogger,particular these from mainland,were totally ignorant .or knew absolute nothing.my speculation is that all of them has no access to western defense journal or magazine or censor.
other problem is that when official information tend to included offical propaganda,sometime over dramatic.and from the blogger ,it reduced to crude nationalistic ranting.
other problem is that when official information tend to included offical propaganda,sometime over dramatic.and from the blogger ,it reduced to crude nationalistic ranting.
Red___Sword
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Man, I comments because you started, and I try not to exceed the tolerance line of the mods here.
Anyone SERIOUSLY consider that "TW SOURCES" of yours (but not against you perosonally), is of anything not "totally ignorant" (- of its own claim), that person (the "Anyone" in fist word of this paragraph) is self-doubting his own IQ (or EQ? I'm not sure) too much.
I mean, I guess I mentioned I read through all the posts from the beginning of this thread (which across multiple years), have you found ANYONE seriously considering your "refference" as something fruitful, instead of entertaining? - all these years?
You know, if the mods considering me being speak offensive, right here right now, that I personally apologized to the mods, right here right now - BUT, that's AFTER you, having apologized for your irresponsible claims, right here right now, to anyone here, whom feel offended!
Red___Sword
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I don't know your native language, and yes, I read Chinese and Chinese website, both traditional and simplyfied, I read "what's up at this side of strait", and I am fully aware of "what's spawning at other side of the strait".
I am in a bad position to "emotionaly express my regards on your opinions", but I do know this - that people around here, know's the reputation of YOUR REFERENCE, and the reputation how you PRESENTING it.
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pugachev_diver
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It's really a drastic change when jumping back and forth between Chinese and Western forums. Chinese forums are generally really messed up and chaotic, filled with insults and curses from two sides, one anti-communist and one pro-communist. Those sites were supposed to be weapon oriented discussions but all end up as an alternative location for another cultural revolution battle ground. Otherwise, if those sites didn't turn out to be verbal battlegrounds, they still eventually turn out to be a paradise filled with fantasies lands as wild as a young man's wet dreams.
We should provide solid evidence to our posts, instead of providing pure PS'd arts and claim they are real. Two days ago I was hot headed and wasted 3 hours of my time arguing with an idiot, because he took a photo-shopped picture and claimed it was a H-9. But the picture was really just a PS'd version of the plane from the movie STEALTH.
We should provide solid evidence to our posts, instead of providing pure PS'd arts and claim they are real. Two days ago I was hot headed and wasted 3 hours of my time arguing with an idiot, because he took a photo-shopped picture and claimed it was a H-9. But the picture was really just a PS'd version of the plane from the movie STEALTH.
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