J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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Anyone have the links directly to CCTV?

Which is another reason the Chinese should buy Su-57s; Shenyang is so incompetent and retrograde at aircraft design that they'd be better off license-producing Su-57s than the Snowy Owl. The Su-57, in terms of concept, is decades ahead of the J-31, which is between a JF-17 clone and an F-22 knock-off.

If you're familiar with the Indian AMCA concept (due for late 2020s), it's basically the same damn thing as the J-31, a F-22 knock-off. Why even bother?
 

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Which is another reason the Chinese should buy Su-57s; Shenyang is so incompetent and retrograde at aircraft design that they'd be better off license-producing Su-57s than the Snowy Owl. The Su-57, in terms of concept, is decades ahead of the J-31, which is between a JF-17 clone and an F-22 knock-off.

If you're familiar with the Indian AMCA concept (due for late 2020s), it's basically the same damn thing as the J-31, a F-22 knock-off. Why even bother?


Come on, what a ridiculous argument: CCTV shows an old rejected contender for a now most successful project that was won by another design and you conclude "the Chinese should buy Su-57s; Shenyang is so incompetent and retrograde"!
 

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Come on, what a ridiculous argument: CCTV shows an old rejected contender for a now most successful project that was won by another design and you conclude "the Chinese should buy Su-57s; Shenyang is so incompetent and retrograde"!

Shenyang has been doing little but cranking out Flanker clones for the last few decades. Its J-11D project was apparently inferior to the Su-35 in terms of construction, with the only superiority being Chinese electronics.

Back to the topic, it looks like it's a proposal for a navalized J-20. The wings are enlarged compared to the current J-20.

I'll also point out that the picture is stating steam propulsion vs EMALs propulsion; i.e, Chinese heavy drones and AEW&C are not launchable under the present circumstances using steam propulsion but require EMALS to get them airborne.

The J-20, likewise, seems to have changed the wing shape as optimize further for frontal stealth as opposed to rear stealth. More likely, it's an accommodation for carrier storage; the outside shape of the wing is implying that it'd fold, but unlike as with the F-35, the wing extensions don't produce a trapezoidal shape.

The LERX, likewise, resembles the Su-35's LERX more, and there seem to be upper vents suggesting that the J-20 proposal has abandoned the DSI concept for reduced stealth and increased speed.
 
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Which is another reason the Chinese should buy Su-57s; Shenyang is so incompetent and retrograde at aircraft design that they'd be better off license-producing Su-57s than the Snowy Owl. The Su-57, in terms of concept, is decades ahead of the J-31, which is between a JF-17 clone and an F-22 knock-off.

If you're familiar with the Indian AMCA concept (due for late 2020s), it's basically the same damn thing as the J-31, a F-22 knock-off. Why even bother?
what??? you know both CAC and SAC are both are state-owned and also subsidiaries of AVIC, right? So it would be very likely that SAC designers could view all the details of J-20 from their own computers at Shenyang.
In fact, my speculation is, there is a good chance, just like how SAC helped CAC in finalizing the J-20 design, their cooperation in J-7 and J-8, CAC is very likely to have some involvements on the rumor 5 gen fighter that about to reveal itself next year.
 

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The bottom-line is that the canards are integral part of the whole design, removing it is like putting a rail-gun on an arleigh burke built decades ago.
And that speculation or suggestion is enough to put the author on the same "professional" level as a fanboy.

Yeah I know all that. I'm just saying they're not *claiming* that directly.
 

banjex

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Which is another reason the Chinese should buy Su-57s; Shenyang is so incompetent and retrograde at aircraft design that they'd be better off license-producing Su-57s than the Snowy Owl. The Su-57, in terms of concept, is decades ahead of the J-31, which is between a JF-17 clone and an F-22 knock-off.

If you're familiar with the Indian AMCA concept (due for late 2020s), it's basically the same damn thing as the J-31, a F-22 knock-off. Why even bother?

lmao wtf Russia can't even get their Su-57 into production and faces continuing delays while the J-20 is in production and active service. I'm generally a fan of the Russian military, but that's a silly statement. Perhaps the only part of the Su-57 that China could benefit from are the engines (especially the planned "second stage" 176kn units) and maybe some EW systems.
 

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Well, he's comparing the SU-57 to J-31 ain't he? We know very little about the J-31 and generally, nothing heard about it is particularly good the SU-57 on that one. There are talks of a Navalised version of J-31 for carrier operation, which Su-57 obviously can't fulfil, which might be it's only saving grace.
 

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^yes, but if China can get the J-20 in production, they can get the J-31 up to scratch in the coming years without needing the Su-57.
 
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