J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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plawolf

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Guys, I'm not sure what to make of this write up from a retired air force Indian officer.

Highlights:

J20 not stealthy as it has big canard. As well as required to carry external tanks and munition making it unstealthy.

It's not as good as Rafale. Because it can't supercruise. Not combat proven. And only just enter first batch production.

It is also a copy of F22 and F35 by stealing from US!

Rafale coming in! How Rafale fighter jets fare against the Chinese PLAAF fighters?

The PAF had acquired the F-16 Fighting Falcons a couple of years before. This time around, with the induction of the Rafale, does the IAF need more than a catchy tag line to keep the PLAAF at bay?

By Wing Commander Amit Ranjan Giri

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If that’s the quality of their officers, they better pray they never actually go to war with anyone.
 

SamuraiBlue

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I am guessing this has been discussed in the past but now it has been verified by the US.

Satellite Image Shows Chinese J-20 Mock Up At Marine Corps Auxiliary Landing Field Bogue in North Carolina
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In December 2018, we were the first to report about a somehow weird sighting: a
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We were also sent some images that indeed showed a J-20 replica and we geo-located the photographs as being taken in front of the USAF Air Dominance Center at the Savannah-Hilton Head International Airport, where the U.S. Air Force and Air Force reserve operate a number of aircraft.

A few days later,
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from the Col. Emmanuel Haldopoulos, Commander of the Savannah Air Dominance Center, that the aircraft, was “a full scale replica and remained at the Air Dominance Center for a short period during the week of 4-6 Dec [2018]. The USMC is funding and directing the training objectives of this device […] wrote us.

The specific role of the realistic, full scale mock-up was not completely clarified by official U. S. Marine Corps sources. A statement to
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from Marine Corps Training and Education Command, or TECOM, said the mock-up Chinese aircraft we had spotted was used for visual and sensor training.
The Corps’ operating forces collaborated with Marine Corps Range and Training Area Management Branch to identify various threat systems to replicate.
“The initial aircraft mock-up identified was a J-20 fighter to develop as a proof of concept, with a plan to develop additional threat aircraft and vehicles in the future,” TECOM explained.
“The prototype was built by a contractor in LaGrange, GA and was moved to Air Dominance Center (ADC) Savannah, Georgia to evaluate the assembly and dis-assembly process, heat and light signatures, and prepare for movement to the chosen training area in North Carolina,” TECOM said..... to read further, click on the link above.

You'll find that the US made couple of mistakes but I am betting they got a fairly good estimate of the RCS of J-20 with this mock up.
 

by78

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I am guessing this has been discussed in the past but now it has been verified by the US.



You'll find that the US made couple of mistakes but I am betting they got a fairly good estimate of the RCS of J-20 with this mock up.

I don't think that mockup is for RCS testing purposes at all.
 

Blitzo

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I am guessing this has been discussed in the past but now it has been verified by the US.



You'll find that the US made couple of mistakes but I am betting they got a fairly good estimate of the RCS of J-20 with this mock up.

If it's the same mock up we saw on the ground those few years ago, I doubt it.

We know what proper RCS mock ups look like, and the picture from the ground before definitely isn't that.

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I suspect it's just a familiarization mock up for introducing their forces to the aircraft in a way that's more effective than a powerpoint slide.


That said I'm sure the US has done actual proper RCS testing of J-20 (in the same way that China would've done for F-22 and F-35 as well). But it's almost certainly not being done with that specific mockup lol. At least, for the sake of the US I hope not.
 

siegecrossbow

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I am guessing this has been discussed in the past but now it has been verified by the US.



You'll find that the US made couple of mistakes but I am betting they got a fairly good estimate of the RCS of J-20 with this mock up.

They seem to be using a crude replica of the original 2001/2002 prototype instead of production aircraft, which is baffling. Even if you are training Marine aviators/ground pounders for visual identification the black paint job is way out of date.
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

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Guys, I'm not sure what to make of this write up from a retired air force Indian officer.

Highlights:

J20 not stealthy as it has big canard. As well as required to carry external tanks and munition making it unstealthy.

It's not as good as Rafale. Because it can't supercruise. Not combat proven. And only just enter first batch production.

It is also a copy of F22 and F35 by stealing from US!

Rafale coming in! How Rafale fighter jets fare against the Chinese PLAAF fighters?

The PAF had acquired the F-16 Fighting Falcons a couple of years before. This time around, with the induction of the Rafale, does the IAF need more than a catchy tag line to keep the PLAAF at bay?

By Wing Commander Amit Ranjan Giri

Rest of the article:

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Just more Indian bullshit. They still won't have Rafaels in 10 years.
 

Breadbox

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The only thing that the Rafale have over the J-20 is its ability to super-cruise, everything else is nonsense. Stealth is huge advantage that can’t be overcome by marginal improvements in existing capabilities. India bought a bunch Rafale at an obscene price, they have to justify it to the civilians somehow.

I'm not even sure if He himself believe that nonsense, a-lot of military to press speak involves boosting morale and placating the press. All countries pulls this nonsense, like when the USMC decommissioned all of its tank battalions, it’s ‘Adapting to a future environment’, or when PLA soldier not having body armour in the past because if ‘reduces fighting spirit’. At the end of the day, the reason is usually ‘We don’t have the money for that’.
 

Gatekeeper

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J-31 is not single-engined. J-20 does not rely on external load/munition since it has three internal bays that it demonstrated at several airshows. Rafale also has canards so his argument that Rafale has good RCS reduction is disengenuous. This seems poorly researched.

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Good catch, I missed that completely. But the article is written by an Ex-Wing commander in a reputable tabloid and yet, it just garbage. No wonder India is in a state it is in today.
 

siegecrossbow

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Good catch, I missed that completely. But the article is written by an Ex-Wing commander in a reputable tabloid and yet, it just garbage. No wonder India is in a state it is in today.

Their Air Force top brass claimed that the MKI could spot the J-20 with its radar within several kilometers. Just because someone is top brass doesn’t mean that he/she is knowledgeable about all subject matters.
 
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