J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VIII

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HKSDU

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tamsen_ikard said:
No way they will think just 600 will be enough if US plans to have 2000 F-35. China also needs to take into account the Air forces of Japan, Sk, Taiwan and Australia. China needs to have at least equal number of planes than US and its allies. Ideally it should overmatch it if it intends to force US out of West Pacific without a fight. Only massive numbers and quality can do that.

I think China will eventually have around 1500-2000 J-20 in the future. But I don't think all of them will be Air Superiority variant of the J-20. They will eventually move towards a Fighter-Bomber/Multirole version of the J-20 with more focus on ground strikes. Maybe the twin seater J-20 will focus on that in the future.

I expect these twin seater J-20 to eventually replace the Ground strike focused flankers in the PLA.

So after 1000 J-20 the rest of J-20 will focus on ground strike while Air superiority mission will be given to the 6th Gen fighter China comes up with.
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People keep looking at raw numbers about how much fighters America has against China, but fail to realise that they would never send all their fighters in a potential war scenario over Taiwan. Leaving a portion to defend your home nation, portion near Europe and Middle East, would effectively cut out a chunk of your so called 2000 F35.
Meanwhile China can deploy majority of there fighters in Taiwan scenario as its basically home turf along with anti air coverage.

If we look at inventory America deployment of their assets based on % is far less than what China can offer.
 
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HKSDU said:
People keep looking at raw numbers about how much fighters America has against China, but fail to realise that they would never send all their fighters in a potential war scenario over Taiwan. Leaving a portion to defend your home nation, portion near Europe and Middle East, would effectively cut out a chunk of your so called 2000 F35.
Meanwhile China can deploy majority of there fighters in Taiwan scenario as its basically home turf along with anti air coverage.

If we look at inventory America deployment of their assets based on % is far less than what China can offer.
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Every time this topic comes up -- i.e.: how much of the US military's overall global force can be allocated to the western pacific -- it always gets a bit simplified.

The answer is not merely "all of the global force" versus "only what they are presently able to base in the region/in context of other global demands". The answer is likely somewhere in between.

The permutations of possibilities are almost endless:
- What if the US is able to replenish forces/assets/aircraft lost in the region due to attrition by drawing from other global forces?
- What if the US is able to surge forces that is somewhere in between its overall global force and current western pacific deployed force, while also being able to still draw upon the rest of its global forces as replacements for attrition?
- What if the US can ask other global allies to maximize their own force deployments in key hotspots to free up global US forces to operate in westpac or replace US westpac forces
- What of PLA losses/attrition and requirements to potentially fight a longer term conflict, including if it requires being able to fight/defend across multiple strategic directions outside of only Taiwan/eastern?
- What are the actual conditions of victory that the PRC may seek and what may be needed to realistically achieve it?
 
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What are the known capabilities and the bombs/missiles J-20 can use in ground/sea strike roles? Given the shallowness of the internal weapons bay compared to F-35, it is unlikely to have much multirole capability if any at all.
There Su-57m comes to mind. Due to separated engines, it has the largest internal weapons bay of any fighter and can carry stealthy cruise missiles with significant range. That is quite a handy capability in a war in the west pacific. So would it make sense to procure at least one air brigade worth of Su-57m? It also makes it possible that in a Pacific war, Russian factories can produce and send China Su-57m without the risk of getting bombed that Chinese factories have and having the pilots/infrastructure already at place can come quite handy.
So what do you guys think? Is it a good idea or is there a plan like that in place to procure Su-57m for deep strike missions already?
 
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What are the known capabilities and the bombs/missiles J-20 can use in ground/sea strike roles? Given the shallowness of the internal weapons bay compared to F-35, it is unlikely to have much multirole capability if any at all.
There Su-57m comes to mind. Due to separated engines, it has the largest internal weapons bay of any fighter and can carry stealthy cruise missiles with significant range. That is quite a handy capability in a war in the west pacific. So would it make sense to procure at least one air brigade worth of Su-57m? It also makes it possible that in a Pacific war, Russian factories can produce and send China Su-57m without the risk of getting bombed that Chinese factories have and having the pilots/infrastructure already at place can come quite handy.
So what do you guys think? Is it a good idea or is there a plan like that in place to procure Su-57m for deep strike missions already?
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Plain and simple… NO, not a good idea!
 
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ChinaWatcher1 said:
What are the known capabilities and the bombs/missiles J-20 can use in ground/sea strike roles?
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Fairly sure it can carry AKF family missiles.
ChinaWatcher1 said:
Given the shallowness of the internal weapons bay compared to F-35, it is unlikely to have much multirole capability if any at all.
There Su-57m comes to mind.
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They don't even make enough for their own airforce. Also if China believed the Su57 airframe had potential, they would have licensed it.
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Due to separated engines, it has the largest internal weapons bay of any fighter and can carry stealthy cruise missiles with significant range. That is quite a handy capability in a war in the west pacific. So would it make sense to procure at least one air brigade worth of Su-57m? It also makes it possible that in a Pacific war, Russian factories can produce and send China Su-57m without the risk of getting bombed
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Chengdu and Shenyang have the major 5th gen production facilities. These areas are de facto as unassailable as deep Siberia, so it really doesn't matter. It's not like China produces them in Taiwan or Fujian coast.
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that Chinese factories have and having the pilots/infrastructure already at place can come quite handy.
So what do you guys think? Is it a good idea or is there a plan like that in place to procure Su-57m for deep strike missions already?
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The twin seat J-20 with UAV integration will be massively better at ground strike, since it doesn't just carry it's own missiles but can call on a whole network of platforms.
 
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How Su-57 suddenly appear in scene ?

China already have their own aerospace ecosystems. Doubtful they will accept Su-57 regardless potential. If China wants J-20 to be missile truck, they will develop smaller cruise missiles for it. or If they have to, External weapon bay.
 
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