J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI
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Did you or him see any new planes with new serial number came out? And how many? That answers the question.
I got it from watching Chinese program
We talking production issue. There certainly urgency given political climate.
There's jet production and also the engine production.
Even if ws15 is successful, no body know how many of them can be cranked out.
This is on top of the jet itself production issue.
Double whammy
People are using waiting for Ws15 as the excuse as why j20 number is low. I don't think so.
For every product, its success is depending on production rate.
For example Tesla model 3, if Tesla cannot crank out certain number then model 3 would be deemed as failure.
Similarly, if j20 cannot crank out a certain number then it would be a failure
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manqiangrexue
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That is an extremely stupid and unscientific way to approach the question of evidence and it answers absolutely nothing. I didn't see any come out, so that number could be 0, all the way up to whatever. For you to claim that 1 came out in 3 months, you would need to provide the official statement. If you can't and you found 1 with a new serial number, then you can post the picture and claim that number to be "at least 1." That's how evidence works and that's how questions are actually answered.
Sounds good. I saw 100 come out, also from "watching Chinese program." LOL
We rely on photos from SAC, CAC, and operational units to estimate the no. of fighters whether it's J-11s, J-16s, J-10s, or J-20s.
The problem is that we do not have anything near constant photos of the factories or the various units that may be operating those fighters. It's been a long time since we've seen multiple fresh, serial Flankers or J-10s or J-20s at their respective factories.
But that doesn't mean new fighters aren't being produced. Just because we don't have photos of events happening doesn't mean those events haven't happened -- it just means that we haven't seen them happen.
More importantly, everyone knows that the govt and PLA closely monitor what photos of the factories and the operational units are allowed to be taken and to be released online, so chances are there are things happening that we are not able to know.
In short, just because we haven't seen new planes come out doesn't mean new planes haven't been coming out. Of course, it means we cannot have a good, reliable estimate as to the true number of fighters that exist at any one time, but it also means you can't say with a straight face that your "watching" is useful in trying to determine the number of fighters that have been produced.
In Chinese forum, they all talk about low number of j20. Less than 20 total.
This is not just me talking
Feel free to provide us the links to the forums that you're referencing and we can judge for ourselves.
@manqiangrexue & @tidalwave
STOP ... STOP immediately with these back and forth and most of all insulting comments.
Take this as a warning, one of you got already the second one within a few days, therefore two weeks suspension.
STOP ... STOP immediately with these back and forth and most of all insulting comments.
Take this as a warning, one of you got already the second one within a few days, therefore two weeks suspension.
According to the Chinese AirForce magazine, J-20s participated in "Redsword-2018" as the Orange Faction and were defeated by the Red Faction (J-10C/J11B with AWAC and EW support). Both sides were engaged in close-quarter dogfights before the J-20s lost by a small margin.
I'm not terribly surprised, those Chinese 4 Gens are "top-notch", and AWAC and EW support are indeed game changers,,, it would also turn on whether or not the J-20's where flying with the Luneberg Lens?
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