J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[by78]

Any info where this is??? ... I just cannot check since I'm on the way to Italy.

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CFTE's Yanliang airbase, according to Huitong.

 

[weig2000]

Of course he might not be right about everything, but you also questioned (if only mildly) his background, and on that specific contention I thought it was worth giving some secondary input.

More to the point though I would say his explanation is in line with my own understanding of how many state owned firms in China tend to work. This doesn’t mean Yang Wei isn’t good at what he does, but he may not be as uniquely capable in his abilities relative to his peers as the difference in attention he’s getting, which is, if I’m not mistaken, PiSigma’s point.

Gentlemen! Gentlemen!, you are both right in your respective points, as PiSigma pointed out, his Uncle was employed at 611, and no doubt Uncle is a very bright man, none at all. Of course it is standard operating procedure at 611 and other high level institutes to "cultivate talent" and part of that process is pairing with senior designers to "mentor"...

As weig2000 points out, Yang Wei was taken under Dr. Song's wing, and is really his "intellectual" progeny, both those gentlemen are/were rising stars, and highly motivated and given opportunity to exercise their genius, they are among an elite cadre of aerodynamic legends, and their leaders.

Guys, all good points are taken.

Didn't mean to take this thread of discussion into a more personal direction. This all started from some news and some rather casual comments about the man behind the machine.

My original point was that for a brilliant young man such as Yang Wei to stay and get ahead in a Chinese state-owned company/institute, which isn't exactly known for meritocracy in general, it must be because of his sheer talent and the recognition of the management and Dr. Song (the founding chief designer of the institute). PiSigma took issue with my view, and appeared to be saying it was nothing extraordinary in Institute 611. That's where we differ, although I would acknowledge that he might have a point in the sense that Institute 611 does appear to have a better culture than, say, Institute 601 in Shenyang, relatively speaking.

In any case, all points are made. Enough discussion about this. Let's move on.

 

[Jura The idiot]

now noticed the tweet

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3 nouveaux (?) J-20 à CFTE près de Xi'an

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3 new (?) J-20 in CFTE near Xi'an

 

[Air Force Brat]

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3 nouveaux (?) J-20 à CFTE près de Xi'an

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3 new (?) J-20 in CFTE near Xi'an

He is of course asking a hopeful question? whether or NOT there are 3 new J-20 at Xian?? I'd say not unless we saw each of them depart Chengdu??

So Jura, how did others respond to his question?? Of course Deino has posted several pictures lately which could indeed be new J-20's and if there are indeed 3 new J-20's, it would indicate that whatever has been holding up J-20 production should be resolved???

anyway, I would be interested in how others have responded over there??

 

[Jura The idiot]

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anyway, I would be interested in how others have responded over there??

LOL it's a new tweet so as of now it's gotten

• 2 Retweets
• 3 Likes

by the way I've never tweeted anything, not even as a test, I just look

 

[Air Force Brat]

LOL it's a new tweet so as of now it's gotten

• 2 Retweets
• 3 Likes

by the way I've never tweeted anything, not even as a test, I just look

10-4, I don't tweet much either, seems like a lot of the defense journo's are just tweeting to each other, kinda like birds singing?? LOL

 

[Deino]

He is of course asking a hopeful question? whether or NOT there are 3 new J-20 at Xian?? I'd say not unless we saw each of them depart Chengdu??

So Jura, how did others respond to his question?? Of course Deino has posted several pictures lately which could indeed be new J-20's and if there are indeed 3 new J-20's, it would indicate that whatever has been holding up J-20 production should be resolved???

anyway, I would be interested in how others have responded over there??

IMO those spotted at the CFTE are most likely the 201x prototypes

 

[Air Force Brat]

IMO those spotted at the CFTE are most likely the 201x prototypes

That would make good sense, in the mean time, we've had a few extra primer birds without serials?? this is a lot harder than when we had 2001 and 2002/2004, maybe that's were I started to get confused??

 

[PiSigma]

Really?

As far as I can tell, most people climbing the ranks did not get the chance to have the significant roles with FC-1, J-10 and J-20 that Yang Wei got. Not in all three of them. And those three programs have been the most important ones for 611 in the last three decades. For quite some years after Yang Wei joined 611, China's defense industry had suffered significant brain drains due to lack of funding and career opportunities. Yang Wei was a prodigy (went to college at the tender age of 15) and was clearly good at software (he led the team to develop the flight control system for J-10, some kind of a "first" in China). Anyone knew something about China twenty years ago knows that he could work for the IT industry and made much more money. Indeed, he did for a while, moonlighting.

The above are all FACTS. And they're the factual basis to my points: Yang Wei got talent, could have a more profitable career otherwise, but he was recognized by the management in general and Dr. Song in particular and had been given pivotal role in the few most important programs of the company/institute/defense industry that few other have. Are there any propaganda here at all? Please enlighten me.

If I'm not mistaken, I seem to remember that you mentioned your Dad/Mom/Uncle/Aunt worked for CAC. If you want to share/show off some of your relevant privileged insider knowledge to prove that what I said above are factually wrong or why they're propaganda, it would be much appreciated. What you said above, about some bureaucratic process in 611 are not very relevant to my points and proofs that they are propaganda.

Sorry for late reply, been away for a few days, crazy busy at work.

My great uncle (grandmother's brother) worked at 611 since he the early J-7 copying days. I always shorten it to uncle because in English there is not much distinction. His wife, daughter and son-in-law are/were all air force officers (think colonel) in chengdu military region with strong connection to 611.

The way chengdu is set up is all new hires are rotated through different mentors in different departments to find a role suitable for the new hire. This had been done for at least the last 3 decades. Each role the new hire does will last several months to years, so when yang was under my uncle's department, he was mentored by my uncle. I will not say which department, because there had only been 3 department heads in all its history.

The mentor is typically is technical lead of the department (called vice depatment leader/chief) and not the managerial head (full department head). In reality, the vice head always had more power and full head is the figure head / spokesman. Often the vice heads are hidden from public with names never mentioned in press for obvious reasons.

Once someone new is identified to have potential in whatever final department they end up in, there is a good chance they work on everything. Most projects are not parallel in chengdu due to lack of labour.

My uncle was tech head of his department when jf-17, j10 and j20 plus a few more projects that never made off paper.

When I say a lot of the reports u read in paper are propaganda it is because they make it sound like he is a superman trained specifically by Dr. Song and rising through the ranks especially fast. What I'm saying is, he is smart but not as smart as the papers make it seem. Everyone working there is a genius, they only take the best graduates from the most elite universities in China. And he was not specially groomed, but followed the typical career advancement of everyone in 611.

 

[PiSigma]

Of course he might not be right about everything, but you also questioned (if only mildly) his background, and on that specific contention I thought it was worth giving some secondary input.

More to the point though I would say his explanation is in line with my own understanding of how many state owned firms in China tend to work. This doesn’t mean Yang Wei isn’t good at what he does, but he may not be as uniquely capable in his abilities relative to his peers as the difference in attention he’s getting, which is, if I’m not mistaken, PiSigma’s point.

Yes. There are others just as good, but are hidden from the media spot light. Very secretive organisation.