J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[Klon]

Here is the link to the

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. gongke101 also made some additional

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. Once again, this forum was outperformed by PDF in having an actual discussion, so I'll just quote from there.

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18 pieces of flaps are WS10IPE, 16 pieces are AL 31F, if you found it has neither 18 nor 16 pieces```then it is a jackpot

it also says, there arent many people that have the "previlege" to have a close look up to WS-15, but few people have seen it on J-20 but didnt realize it as they are "bad at counting" flaps

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He has clearly hinted that WS-15 has 15 pieces as you can know the designation from the flap number, which means the flap number equals the designation number.

Yes，but Gongke has hinted it in this way. Moreover, he just gave another hint it is multiples of 3

I don't necessarily fully endorse these comments, but it should be the right idea.

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there as well.

 

[Deino]

Basically, it's all about the source. If you carefully look at the silvered nozzles going all the way back to 2001, you'll notice that the nozzles count up to 15. According to Gongke, if it's 18 petals, it's a WS-10, if it's 16 petals, it's an AL-31F.

The problem is, we have a nozzle with 15 petals. Gongke's utilizing a double meaning; if we trust Gongke, if it's 15 petals, as in the silvered petals on the prototype, it's a "15" or WS-15.

The claim is pretty convoluted; you'd have to carefully do the petal count on the J-20 nozzles, but the petal count is not 16 on the silvered panels, but 15. It is possible that it's simply a prototype nozzle for later versions being tested, but according to Gongke, if the nozzle is a prototype, so's the engine.

So if you agree that my petal count is correct (15, not 16), and Gongke should be trusted on this matter, the J-20's been running WS-15 for testing purposes since 2011. Not completely a claim to be trusted, but an interesting one.

PLEASE show a clear image of that silverfish nozzle with a correct number could of 15. ... to take a bottom view of a J-20 and assuming maybe 7 plus maybe 8 is maybe 15 so it IS, is a lame argument.

 

[Inst]

That's why I'm going through the nozzle pictures; i.e, to get a straight direct view where you can count the gaps. What I'm working off right now is are pictures of poor quality; count half and get 7.5, assume 15.

 

[Inst]

This is 16, isn't it? Then the answer seems to be that Gongke is full of shit. Well, at least the 2001s aren't WS-15; there might have been a change since 2011, however.

 

[Deino]

This is 16, isn't it? Then the answer seems to be that Gongke is full of shit.

Exactly ... 16 ! So it's clearly a special treated AL-31FX

 

[Blitzo]

Am I taking crazy pills? Is there anything in Gongke's post that suggests that we should have seen a J-20 with WS-15 in the past???

The way I read it, he's only saying that the WS-15 intended for J-20 has been seen by people -- not suggesting that anyone in the public have been able to see WS-15, and certainly not suggesting that J-20 has been equipped with WS-15!

 

[Inst]

许多 -> many, i.e, many people have seen the J-20 with WS-15. So he's implying that, even if the many is restricted to PLA personnel, the WS-15 has been installed onto the J-20 already for some level of testing.

 

[Deino]

Am I taking crazy pills? Is there anything in Gongke's post that suggests that we should have seen a J-20 with WS-15 in the past???

The way I read it, he's only saying that the WS-15 intended for J-20 has been seen by people -- not suggesting that anyone in the public have been able to see WS-15, and certainly not suggesting that J-20 has been equipped with WS-15!

Agreed, but what makes me suspicious are these two IMO contradicting statements that (1) few peoples already had the "previlege" to have a close look up to a WS-15 but (2) also that only few people did realize it as a new engine.

Also it was said, that the nozzles not only differ by numbers but also by shape... so are these guys/peoples bad in recognising such major differences?

 

[Blitzo]

许多 -> many, i.e, many people have seen the J-20 with WS-15. So he's implying that, even if the many is restricted to PLA personnel, the WS-15 has been installed onto the J-20 already for some level of testing.

No, the way I interpret it is that many people (likely PLA peronnel and individuals involved in seenthe development) have seen thethe WS intended for J-20.

But there is nothing to suggest that J-20 has already been equipped with WS-15

 

[Inst]

Not a few, many. 许多 translates to many, a lot. I'm looking back at the picture, the sketch definitely has 15 plates instead of 16 on the TVC-ed J-20, so it's a WS-15 nozzle. As for the other engine, it's hard to tell, unfortunately.

Gongke is definitely trolling us; somewhere there's a J-20 with 15 plates, if we trust him, and if he's lying, he just sent us on a wild goose chase to find the WS-15 J-20.