It’s definitely a joke intended to reference the anus, but gongke isn’t making any points by using it. He didn’t invent the term. He’s just using the common slang typical of the community.
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI
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A few things. I've been counting petals lately.
Is this a 14/15 petal engine or a 16 petal engine? If it's a 16, it's an AL-31F. If it's a 14/15, it's possibly the WS-15 nozzle.
Another possible reading is that the WS-15 nozzle is already designed; i.e, the WS-10 and WS-15 share nozzles.
Is this a 14/15 petal engine or a 16 petal engine? If it's a 16, it's an AL-31F. If it's a 14/15, it's possibly the WS-15 nozzle.
Another possible reading is that the WS-15 nozzle is already designed; i.e, the WS-10 and WS-15 share nozzles.
A few things. I've been counting petals lately.
Is this a 14/15 petal engine or a 16 petal engine? If it's a 16, it's an AL-31F. If it's a 14/15, it's possibly the WS-15 nozzle.
Another possible reading is that the WS-15 nozzle is already designed; i.e, the WS-10 and WS-15 share nozzles.
no... there's no indication at all that WS-15 is even ready to fly on J-20.
It's the same Al-31 variant engine we've seen and known for the last few years...
I'm not sure why you're making so much effort to be deliberately juvenile.
Because the hobbyist community went to it first? For that matter, 喷嘴 is the technical term and there's no reason for them not to use it other than to be cheeky.
For that matter, I think I've located the nozzle they've all been talking about. Check this one out:
This is the pointed nozzle exhaust, and from counting it seems to be 14-15 petals, not 16, so that must be the WS-15 nozzle, even if mounted on a WS-10. It's at least 1 too few a petal to be a AL-31F. Not sure if this is what Gongke was on about.
For that matter, I think I've located the nozzle they've all been talking about. Check this one out:
This is the pointed nozzle exhaust, and from counting it seems to be 14-15 petals, not 16, so that must be the WS-15 nozzle, even if mounted on a WS-10. It's at least 1 too few a petal to be a AL-31F. Not sure if this is what Gongke was on about.
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Because the hobbyist community went to it first? For that matter, 喷嘴 is the technical term and there's no reason for them not to use it other than to be cheeky.
For that matter, I think I've located the nozzle they've all been talking about. Check this one out:
This is the pointed nozzle exhaust, and from counting it seems to be 14-15 petals, not 16, so that must be the WS-15 nozzle, even if mounted on a WS-10. It's at least 1 too few a petal to be a AL-31F. Not sure if this is what Gongke was on about.
That is an old of photoshop of the either 2001/2002. This was even before the prototype 2011 flew. There were rumors about the changes from 2001/2002 to 2011. Somebody created photoshop using those rumors.
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Sure, but there are some terms which are neutral and non-vulgar enough that we can use them without being inappropriate. Big shrimps is such an example, that when translated directly from Chinese it can work as a term in English.
But some other terms or lingo do not require direct translation in normal reference if they're particularly crude.
In any case, this is just an aside.
Which is a question of translation fidelity; I've always hated the idea of trying to filter out the essential content of other cultures to protect their "honor". It is as it is; address the reality instead of trying to shroud it in respectability.
As for the nozzle question,
This is roughly a 14-15 petal count, suggesting the actual WS-15 nozzle should be in that range. In any case, I think I've mined the subject to death.
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This one is a 15 petal nozzle, so the number Gongke didn't say is 15. A magic number of sorts, for WS-15 spotting.
If the nozzle is correct, by the way, it implies that the WS-15 has already been tested onto the J-20, but we've yet to see the WS-15 on the LRIP J-20s implying the engine is not yet mature enough to go into service.
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Another shot of the silver nozzle. I count 7 panels from the rear, and possibly an 8th implied. So the silver nozzles, if you trust Gongke ("if the count is right, it's a WS-15"), show that the WS-15 has already been tested, but not inducted, on the J-20.
As for the nozzle question,
This is roughly a 14-15 petal count, suggesting the actual WS-15 nozzle should be in that range. In any case, I think I've mined the subject to death.
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This one is a 15 petal nozzle, so the number Gongke didn't say is 15. A magic number of sorts, for WS-15 spotting.
If the nozzle is correct, by the way, it implies that the WS-15 has already been tested onto the J-20, but we've yet to see the WS-15 on the LRIP J-20s implying the engine is not yet mature enough to go into service.
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Another shot of the silver nozzle. I count 7 panels from the rear, and possibly an 8th implied. So the silver nozzles, if you trust Gongke ("if the count is right, it's a WS-15"), show that the WS-15 has already been tested, but not inducted, on the J-20.
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This has nothing to do with the respectability of whatever the original term or phrase meant but rather it's about being respectable here so as to not detract from useful discussion by using an unnecessarily vulgar term.
As for the petal question -- there has been no indication from the recent gongke post suggesting that we've seen any J-20 equipped with WS-15. I'm not sure what trying to go through all of the pictures of J-20 nozzles is meant to prove.
Basically, it's all about the source. If you carefully look at the silvered nozzles going all the way back to 2001, you'll notice that the nozzles count up to 15. According to Gongke, if it's 18 petals, it's a WS-10, if it's 16 petals, it's an AL-31F.
The problem is, we have a nozzle with 15 petals. Gongke's utilizing a double meaning; if we trust Gongke, if it's 15 petals, as in the silvered petals on the prototype, it's a "15" or WS-15.
The claim is pretty convoluted; you'd have to carefully do the petal count on the J-20 nozzles, but the petal count is not 16 on the silvered panels, but 15. It is possible that it's simply a prototype nozzle for later versions being tested, but according to Gongke, if the nozzle is a prototype, so's the engine.
So if you agree that my petal count is correct (15, not 16), and Gongke should be trusted on this matter, the J-20's been running WS-15 for testing purposes since 2011. Not completely a claim to be trusted, but an interesting one.
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