J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[latenlazy]

Well, I’d say they’re probably much better than a lay person’s, but also not definitive.

 

[SinoSoldier]

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SOURCE: ABHOY ROY / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

Earlier this year in January, People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) started conducting its regular high altitude combat training exercise at Roof of the World from its Tibetian Airbases facing towards Indian border. Two Week Combat training exercise for the first time saw the deployment of China’s first Stealth aircraft J-20 practicing beyond-visual-range air combat with other frontline fighter aircraft’s like J-10C and Shenyang J-11.

India-centric Air Force training by China was largely seen as their attempts to take control of the skies, which will be pivotal in case of a possible India-China conflict. PLAAF in the recent years was able to convert its forwards bass in Tibet into all whether airbases which allowed them to maintain their presence near Indian border all year along, which lead to Indian counter moves with the deployment of frontline aircraft like Sukhoi-30s and Mig-29s along with an installation of long ranged Radars to monitor their activities .

Once Two-week operations were conducted by PLAAF, In March this year IAF said that China’s new J-20 fighter jet is not stealthy enough and the Indian Air Force (IAF) has the capability to tackle the threat posed by it,Indian Air force officer also went to link purchase of S-400 from Russia as one of the important component in enhancing IAF’s Capabilities in tracking and destroying J-20 stealth fighters if they ever cross Indian borders to target Eastern Indian Cities .

The Revelations made by Senior ranked IAF officer was largely seen as brainstormed facts coming straight out of IAF’s Internal In-depth threat assessment which was carried out on specifically on J-20 and its capabilities and how it can affect its operations in the Eastern sector and How IAF’s Su-30MKIs deployed in the region will be able to handle them in case of a war in the region .

IAF of lately has increased its High-altitude training in the region and recently in Indian Air Force’s biggest ever and almost real war game, Exercise Gaganshakti, IAF’s combat aircraft’s including Su-30MKI practiced hitting at targets at high altitude areas along the border with China.

After IAF concluded Exercise Gaganshakti, IAF Chief while again speaking on the Chinese J-20 Stealth aircraft may have confirmed what many in Indian and Western Intelligence agencies believed for years now that Chinese Stealth aircrafts are nowhere as stealthy as they claim and can be detected not with use of any special dedicated Stealth Radars but also can be tracked using existing radars technology at disposal .

IAF Chief also added that ” Sukhoi’s Radar can detect them ” so deployment of J-20 doesn’t shift the balance of power in the region. While he never confirmed claims he was making was backed by hard facts or were more a rhetoric in nature but it did raise many eyebrows in Western Intelligence agencies who have been very keen on collecting data on J-20 program.

Did J-20 deployed at unspecified airports on the Tibetan plateau region were flown close to the Indian border to gauge detection and tracking capabilities of India in the region? , was Secretive J-20 deployed by PLAAF to explore and exploit entry points in the region for possible conflict scenarios? , IAF which becomes super active in the region every time PLAAF conducts air exercise near its border able to track and detect them? , Frontline Su-30s which are tasked to monitor such air exercises by PLAAF were able to sniff J-20 in the area? Well we might never get straight answers to this questions from both sides but it will be assumed that China will be very keen on deploying this jets permanently in the region once they produce enough of them in their services and IAF always will be very keen on collecting further data on this jets to always remain ready to take them on in possible conflict scenario in the future .

So the IAF confirmed that the J-20 was being deployed on the Sino-Indian border.

 

[Totoro]

Well, I’d say they’re probably much better than a lay person’s, but also not definitive.

But one can't know if he faked the post where he showed his credentials and, even if he didn't, if he in fact has any real access to any real information.
Really, best way for anyone to prove themselves is to make some precise factual claims that end up being true later on. Everything else is just subject to disinformation too much.

 

[ShariQ Ansari]

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So the IAF confirmed that the J-20 was being deployed on the Sino-Indian border.

Its a blatant lie and propaganda by IAF chief that su-30 radar could detect J-20 just appease some people in the office, and lie to general Indian public.

 

[latenlazy]

But one can't know if he faked the post where he showed his credentials and, even if he didn't, if he in fact has any real access to any real information.
Really, best way for anyone to prove themselves is to make some precise factual claims that end up being true later on. Everything else is just subject to disinformation too much.

The sorts of credentials he posted are hard to fake and were really thorough. I don’t have the link on me but it was shared at some point in one of these threads. From what I’ve seen at least, Gongke has so far been rather rigorous about what he knows from first hand and what he has gathered from hearsay, and about giving context to either his relationship to the information he shares or how he encountered it. He’s also been consistent about clearly stating what he doesn’t know. I think all that counts for something with regards to honesty and transparency. My general rule of thumb with him is that anything he shares related to Liyang should be pretty reliable, and anything outside of that should be taken as industry gossip. In the case of the J-20 prototype weight, it seems like this is information he encountered directly from work Liyang did with CAC.

 

[SinoSoldier]

The sorts of credentials he posted are hard to fake and were really thorough. I don’t have the link on me but it was shared at some point in one of these threads. Gongke has so far been rather rigorous about what he knows from first hand and what he has gathered from hearsay, and about giving context to either his relationship to the information he shares or how he encountered it. He’s also been consistent about clearly stating what he doesn’t know. I think all that counts for something with regards to honesty and transparency. My general rule of thumb with him is that anything he shares related to his work at Liyang should be pretty reliable, and anything outside of that should be taken as industry gossip. In the case of the J-20 prototype weight, it seems like this is information he encountered directly from work Liyang did with CAC.

To be honest some of his later claims regarding FC-31 are at odds with what pb19980515 has written, although the FC-31 project may be sort of out of his purview. But nevertheless both are still secondary sources since they're merely relaying information from higher-ups.

 

[latenlazy]

To be honest some of his later claims regarding FC-31 are at odds with what pb19980515 has written, although the FC-31 project may be sort of out of his purview. But nevertheless both are still secondary sources since they're merely relaying information from higher-ups.

I don’t trust either on decisions over the fate of the FC-31, since neither work in an area that would directly touch that decision. Both seem to have corroborated similar information about what engines it would use and what its specs are though.

Speaking more generally, something I’ve concluded about leakers who sit on lower levels of the industry ladder is that information they don’t directly touch is usually judiciously filtered through the prejudices of internal industry interests and rivalries. It’s a useful thing to keep in mind when parsing what people like pb and gongke share.

 

[Klon]

Serendipitously, I just found a

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from pb19980515 on J-20's weight.

J-20 uses more than 18 tons of empty weight. . . . . . . . I guess I'm going to be sprayed. . . Anyway, it will be sprayed, rather than the way "blow" Eagle, plus a counterweight, the use of empty weight of 12.5 tons. Another "black" was born. . .

 

[Hyperwarp]

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So the IAF confirmed that the J-20 was being deployed on the Sino-Indian border.

What if the J-20 was carrying luneburg lenses? Or what if the J-20 can actively vary its RCS? Or simply by openning the weapons bay doors or deploying the airbrakes will cause a spike in the RCS. F-22 pilots use this stratergy of deliberately opening weapons bay doors to fool and trap aggressor F-15s and F-16s. Plus, If the Su-30 RADAR was turned on, and worse on full power in non-training mode, then that would have been a goldmine for the PLAAF. The 360' passive sensors of the J-20 would have picked up a thing or two so, the IAF better not start celebrating too soon. They may have played right to the hands of the PLAAF here.

 

[SinoSoldier]

What if the J-20 was carrying luneburg lenses? Or what if the J-20 can actively vary its RCS? Or simply by openning the weapons bay doors or deploying the airbrakes will cause a spike in the RCS. F-22 pilots use this stratergy of deliberately opening weapons bay doors to fool and trap aggressor F-15s and F-16s. Plus, If the Su-30 RADAR was turned on, and worse on full power in non-training mode, then that would have been a goldmine for the PLAAF. The 360' passive sensors of the J-20 would have picked up a thing or two so, the IAF better not start celebrating too soon. They may have played right to the hands of the PLAAF here.

Exactly. Also I have a hard time believing that the J-20 was operating near the Sino-Indian border.