J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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siegecrossbow

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I think AirForceBrat wanted a picture of the canards deflecting asymmetrically in air.
 

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I think AirForceBrat wanted a picture of the canards deflecting asymmetrically in air.

Yes Sir, but I did not state that, and this picture does show that each canard has its own hydraulic power actuator, just as each of the control surfaces on the main wing display in those faired in housings.

Siege, do you remember those early videos?? where as the pilot was in the cockpit, and he began the engine start, the ground crew would be standing by, and the airplane would almost "quiver" as each of those flight control surfaces were powered up?? and each surface would move through their full throws, I believe the canards would neutralize and sync up as the power was brought up??

I will try to have a look at our first J-20 thread so I can reference interested posters back to those very interesting videos...

I know you are busy, but could someone "sticky" those early videos, they are still very interesting and quite relevant to current J-20 activity, and you can learn so much from watching those early video's, I myself will be looking for that video showing the "aileron roll" as the bird returns from an early test flight..
 

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I found a video of J-10 at pre-flight check. The canard moved independently. Check the video at 50s.

I know this is not J-20, but since the FCS designer is the same, it is certainly possible J-20 has same capability. The only question is whether J-20 choose to do it or not, only a software lock/unlock thing.
 

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I found a video of J-10 at pre-flight check. The canard moved independently. Check the video at 50s.

I know this is not J-20, but since the FCS designer is the same, it is certainly possible J-20 has same capability. The only question is whether J-20 choose to do it or not, only a software lock/unlock thing.

that is likely the FCS "booting up", just prior to that, the canards are "synced up", and doing that "flicking" thing,,, also notice only the starboard canard does that little "flicking", the port canard remains "neutral" and does NOT exhibit the customary equal and opposite reaction we see when the elavons are deflected one up, one down..

it appears that is a system check and recheck, perhaps the starboard canard was out of calibration,, as I noted, each canard is independently driven by its own hydraulic actuator, there would never be an inflight situation where the two canards would operate independently of one another... if that were to be the case, when the pilot did the pre-flight controls free and correct, the right and left canard would move in opposite directions in sync with the elavon on the starboard or port side, and they do not on the J-20..

I have to confess that I don't know about the J-10 and its FCS, as I'm not particularly interested in aft mounted delta fighter aircraft, the Typhoon and J-20 being the two exceptions.
 

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that is likely the FCS "booting up", just prior to that, the canards are "synced up", and doing that "flicking" thing,,, also notice only the starboard canard does that little "flicking", the port canard remains "neutral" and does NOT exhibit the customary equal and opposite reaction we see when the elavons are deflected one up, one down..

it appears that is a system check and recheck, perhaps the starboard canard was out of calibration,, as I noted, each canard is independently driven by its own hydraulic actuator, there would never be an inflight situation where the two canards would operate independently of one another... if that were to be the case, when the pilot did the pre-flight controls free and correct, the right and left canard would move in opposite directions in sync with the elavon on the starboard or port side, and they do not on the J-20..

I have to confess that I don't know about the J-10 and its FCS, as I'm not particularly interested in aft mounted delta fighter aircraft, the Typhoon and J-20 being the two exceptions.

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and concluded that canard is not the ideal control surface for roll:

Incorporating roll control on the canard is basically less efficient because of an adverse downwash influence on the main wing opposing the canard rolling-moment input.

I agree with Air Force Brat. This is more likely a flight control system calibration.
 

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and concluded that canard is not the ideal control surface for roll:



I agree with Air Force Brat. This is more likely a flight control system calibration.

exactly, the canard would be a very inefficient means to roll the aircraft, given its extremely short moment arm... most often ailerons or elevons are located as far outboard on the wing as practical, in applications where roll authority androll rate is king, such as a fighter aircraft.
 

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Diplomat's spin on J-20's oversea combat training.

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The People’s Liberation Army Air Force’s (PLAAF) purported first fifth-generation stealth fighter aircraft, the Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (CAC) J-20A multirole fighter, conducted its first over-the-sea combat exercise, the PLAAF announced this week.

“The J-20 has conducted a combat training mission in sea areas for the first time, and this has further strengthened the comprehensive combat capability of the PLA Air Force,” PLAAF spokesperson Shen Jinke said on May 9, without specifying the date or location of the combat training.

“It will help the air force better fulfill its sacred duty of safeguarding China’s sovereignty, security and territorial integrity,” Shen added.

The J-20A is China’s most advanced domestically produced fighter jet to date. The aircraft is a twin-engine, single-seat fifth-generation (designated fourth-generation in the PLAAF) air superiority fighter, designed and built by CAC. The J-20A, armed with beyond visual range air-to-air missiles such as the PL-12, is specifically designed for long-range fighter missions.

However, as I
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in March, there is considerable doubt about the J-20’s stealth capabilities:

Among other things, it lacks an indigenously developed and designed next-generation high performance turbofan jet engine and continues to rely on older Russian-made models lacking (…) thrust vectoring.

Additionally, as I
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in October 2017:

The domestically developed WS-15 turbofan engine, a thrust engine under development since the 1990s, has not entered serial production. It is assumed that the first patch of J-20s is equipped with an unknown variant of the Saturn AL-31, an older Russian-made jet engine. According to some sources, the J-20 is still purportedly incapable of super cruising — sustained supersonic flight [without using afterburners].

Furthermore, the J-20A’s avionics reportedly also do not meet Western fifth-generation standards and the aircraft’s stealth coating — radiation absorbent material intended to reduce the reflection of electromagnetic waves — purportedly also has shortcomings.

Nonetheless, China’s new fighter jet has continued to make headlines in recent months. In January, J-20As took part in
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at an undisclosed air base in China. While it was not the first aerial combat drill for the J-20 it was the first time that the PLAAF publicly confirmed the participation of the fighter aircraft in such an exercise.

The PLAAF rushed the J-20A into
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. The aircraft also entered limited serial production before officially reaching full operational capability. Whether this is was a wise long-term aircraft procurement strategy remains to be seen. CAC is expected to produce three J-20As per month. The PLAAF intends to operate more than 100 J-20s by the end of the 2020s. It unclear how many J-20As are currently in service with the PLAAF; estimates vary from six to 13 (eight J-20A prototypes and five low rate initial production fighter jets).
 
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