J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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ougoah

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It's just annoying we have bitter trolls here too. I suppose the overflow from elsewhere is too great. Everyone against China is hating on the progress. Especially the Russians. They think no.2 is their rightful place.
 

Deino

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It's just annoying we have bitter trolls here too. I suppose the overflow from elsewhere is too great. Everyone against China is hating on the progress. Especially the Russians. They think no.2 is their rightful place.


Indeed, but IMO it is even more annoying that always the same guys step in such off-topic discussions by replying also endlessly to these posts even after warnings; including Yourself.

Guys ... I have enough, LEVCON, Airbus-fighters and Tejas, being a copy or not or 80's-90's design. :mad:

@b787 , @Engineer & @Pmichael .... STOP these endless off-topic discussions and take this as a warning.

Deino
 

ougoah

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Yes I understand but some of us feel compelled to weigh in with truth and debunk the nonsense for the benefit of readers too. It's not only to talk back to the ones saying their made up bs. Ban the ones instigating or warn them against making statements that are not true and presenting them as fact. We create responses in the interest of dispelling the myths and false statements made by some people. A lie that is repeated enough may end up making many less than well informed people convinced of the lies. This is how many human tragedies start and partly why I hate paid and non-paid trolls. I'm sure we're all aware of the power these trolls hold and how easy the truth get perverted by these people. I appreciate you cleaning these threads up though. It'd be nice if we didn't have to veer off topic every time someone decides to weigh in with ridiculous conspiracies and bs.
 

Deino

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That's exactly my problem ....

...Ban the ones instigating ....


I cannot ban ! I can in fact do NOTHING but begging and later on deleting their BS and that's what makes me so much angry: We are left alone and these trolls know that.

In fact I'm considering to resign and leave SDF.

These mad's have become a group of clowns desperately fighting against the odds with just a towel in their hand.

To admit, I have enough if nothing happens soon ... and soon is a time within days.

Deino :mad:
 

Pmichael

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Indeed, but IMO it is even more annoying that always the same guys step in such off-topic discussions by replying also endlessly to these posts even after warnings; including Yourself.

Guys ... I have enough, LEVCON, Airbus-fighters and Tejas, being a copy or not or 80's-90's design. :mad:

@b787 , @Engineer & @Pmichael .... STOP these endless off-topic discussions and take this as a warning.

Deino
I didn't talk about anything off topic after you posted that warning. Posts are still deleted. Makes me wonder if it more about being critical than off topic.
 

ougoah

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If I recall, the deleted posts were all part of the chain that sprouted from posts that were beyond reasonable "criticisms" from another contributor. Critical posts are not deleted. Many of us have posted criticisms and none of them are deleted. The ones that are built on bullshit and uncertainties but expressed as if they are universal law, are deleted because they create flame wars.
 

Deino

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I didn't talk about anything off topic after you posted that warning. Posts are still deleted. Makes me wonder if it more about being critical than off topic.


Again that's the issue and if I made a mistake I honestly apologize.

MY problem is only that esp. one certain member always starts with off-topic issues which others - including Yourself - pick up ... then I issue a reminder, maybe a warning and if it does not work - what's in most issues the case - I have to go thru about a dozen pages and delete all off-topic posts.

Since I was away in UK during the weekend these were about 36 posts spread over 10 pages ... and then it could happen that I also deleted one not-off-topic or - maybe in You case - reminded again.

It is indeed a mess and You simply can't do it right ... either You delete too much and too strict, or You warn the wrong ones ...

Deino :(
 

b787

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Again that's the issue and if I made a mistake I honestly apologize.

MY problem is only that esp. one certain member always starts with off-topic issues which others - including Yourself - pick up ... then I issue a reminder, maybe a warning and if it does not work - what's in most issues the case - I have to go thru about a dozen pages and delete all off-topic posts.

Since I was away in UK during the weekend these were about 36 posts spread over 10 pages ... and then it could happen that I also deleted one not-off-topic or - maybe in You case - reminded again.

It is indeed a mess and You simply can't do it right ... either You delete too much and too strict, or You warn the wrong ones ...

Deino :(
why is off topic analyse an aircraft from the aerodynamic point of view?

do you know what aerodynamic models test beds were used on the aircraft?


could you tell?

I mean is now illegal to consider flaws fashions influences in the design`s, why tell me?


Could you tell me those details?

or is that trolling?

I am not trolling I am unpopular by being critic, by going deeper, then the J-20 thread should be called only pictures no analyze and then i will not post, but if analysing from aerodynamics is topic well then J-20 is not aircraft.
If disagreeing with you is trolling then basically i should not post.
 
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Quickie

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A certain individual here is taking advantage of the fact that not everyone here, including the moderators, are well versed on the subject of aerodynamics.

For those of us in the know though, what he is spouting is just a barrage of his own, mostly wrong, interpretation of aerodynamics principles that, he himself may not realize, betrays his lack of understanding of the subject even at the basic level.

He is able to get away with it so far mainly because the people with the stick here wrongly thought that he could be making legitimate arguments, which we know is far from being the case most of the time and to the point of being ridiculous some of the time.
 
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