J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

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Blitzo

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I actually think Blackstone is quite correct in posting said articles. It's always good to get different viewpoints even if hostile. At the same time they might bring up points that the forum group think might not or don't want to bring up for discussion.

We've already discussed this with Blackstone before -- the issue isn't that we don't want different viewpoints, it is that we want to critically vet and scrutinize those viewpoints with some commentary.

The way he's been posting these articles is done without what the community considers to be any sort of meaningful critique, and he hasn't offered any critique despite the repeated requests and criticism by other members.
So the poor quality and content of the articles is coming across as if that is Blackstone's own opinion (which he has essentially admitted is true), and is a tone deaf and passive aggressive way of trying to put forward a position without placing himself on the line, and hiding behind the shield of "it's a legitimate article that deserves to be taken seriously" or something like that.
 

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We've already discussed this with Blackstone before -- the issue isn't that we don't want different viewpoints, it is that we want to critically vet and scrutinize those viewpoints with some commentary.

The way he's been posting these articles is done without what the community considers to be any sort of meaningful critique, and he hasn't offered any critique despite the repeated requests and criticism by other members.
So the poor quality and content of the articles is coming across as if that is Blackstone's own opinion (which he has essentially admitted is true), and is a tone deaf and passive aggressive way of trying to put forward a position without placing himself on the line, and hiding behind the shield of "it's a legitimate article that deserves to be taken seriously" or something like that.
To be clear, I don't agree with everything that's claimed on all sides, not without solid evidence, so the portion in bold isn't correct.
 

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To be clear, I don't agree with everything that's claimed on all sides, not without solid evidence, so the portion in bold isn't correct.

Yet you are posting these articles without giving them the critical commentary that the overwhelming content and claims deserve, despite everyone else rubbishing those claims and despite you posting variations of articles pushing the same narrative without addressing other's criticisms.

The result is that everyone is perceiving you as posting those articles as an expression of your own opinion by proxy, which is not only annoying in that we are not sure whether to criticize the article's claims or to address your opinions, but it is also annoying in that it is many of those articles are always pushing a similar if not identical narratives or claims and you're just posting as if you haven't read the pages and pages of preceding criticisms debunking those narratives and claims in the other previous similar articles that you've posted.
 

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An article from Next Big Future on the J-20 and possible numbers by end of year. The piece also includes a quotes from Deino.

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Andreas Rupprecht, an aviation expert and the author of several books about Chinese warplanes, wrote that he now [after the Zhuhai air show] expects the first J-20 squadron to be ready for combat with a dozen planes or so “around the year’s end or early 2017—much earlier than expected.”

China might have dozen or so J-20s on hand when the plane is finally war-ready. The USA already possess more than 180 F-22s and about 200 F-35s. F-22 production has ended, but the Pentagon wants to buy another 1,500 F-35s over the next 20 years.

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J-20

The U.S. Air Force operates 20 B-2 stealth bombers and is currently developing the new B-21 stealth bomber to complement it. The Air Force and Navy are also beginning to draw up plans for two new warplane types to eventually follow the F-35.

China is developing another stealth fighter called the FC-31 that’s apparently cheaper and less capable than the J-20 is—and would be strictly for export, as Beijing reportedly does not want to sell the J-20 abroad.

There have also been rumors that China is working on a bigger J-20 model for bombing missions, plus a separate, vertical-landing fighter similar to the F-35B.

China’s wide-ranging efforts to build a stealthy air arm puts it firmly in second place after the United States when it comes to stealth technology. Third-place Russia is struggling to get its new twin-engine T-50 fighter to work—and to afford it. Japan has just begun experimenting with a prototype plane that could evolve into a front-line, radar-evading fighting sometime in the 2020s.

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The first F-35A for Japan was presented at
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Fort Worth factory. The remaining 38 F-35As for the JASDF are being assembled at the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) Final Assembly and Check Out (FACO) facility in Nagoya, Japan.

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F-35a

The J-20s at Zhuhai were still fitted with Russian-made AL-31 engines, rather than the WS-15 engines that Chinese engineers custom-designed for the J-20, but have since run into developmental problems.

With Russian engines, the first J-20 squadron could be “limited in its capabilities,” according to Rupprecht. Indeed, while Beijing might declare the J-20 to be officially combat-ready as early as this year, it’s possible the first squadron will mostly “explore operational tactics and procedures,” in Rupprecht’s estimation.
 

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An article from Next Big Future on the J-20 and possible numbers by end of year. The piece also includes a quotes from Deino.

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Sorry .... but first of all there was no interview and even more I never said :mad:

.... that he now [after the Zhuhai air show] expects the first J-20 squadron to be ready for combat with a dozen planes or so “around the year’s end or early 2017—much earlier than expected.”

I said in an interview with Kyle Mizokami that there are already about 12 LRIP birds, but surely not combat ready ...

Any info on who wrote that report?

Deino
 

weig2000

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Sorry .... but first of all there was no interview and even more I never said :mad:



I said in an interview with Kyle Mizokami that there are already about 12 LRIP birds, but surely not combat ready ...

Any info on who wrote that report?

Deino

It's mostly likely a bot generated news article. The content as a whole does not make a lot of sense. I've seen another similar report (even worse) obviously created by machine. Again, Deino was quoted prominently there. :p
 

delft

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Experts are people who are paid to be experts. In that sense Aboulafia is certainly an expert. I don't know when I saw his name first, perhaps a quarter of a century ago, but in all that time I do not have seen any worthwhile remark by him.
 
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