J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

[Blackstone]

Why do you still believe these articles are legit even after the USAF general clearly stated that the J-20 is different from the F-22? When asked directly whether the J-20 is a copy of the F-22, the general says they are different planes designed for different missions. Are you trying to discredit the USAF general?

And why do you believe opinions of spec ops veterans, who are clearly not pilots and not experts in planes, should be considered as legit source for analyzing the J-20?

Stick with the bold part, it's well reasoned.

It's so clear that the latest article that you posted is not from a legit source. The article is full of derogatory terms clearly with the sole purpose of insulting the Chinese. any article with that kind of bia is clearly propaganda.

The article I quoted mirrors lots of Western sources, ranging from the New York Slime to Jane's Defense, and they slant toward skepticism, concerns, to outright hostility of the J-20. They also have similar factual problems that are parroted again and again. On the other hand, some of them ask important questions posed by the 'learned' and as such, deserve discussions and debate.

 

[Blackstone]

LOL..because Blackstone is desperate for anything to put down the CPC my friend! Legitimate article and truth be dam!

Anything? Really? If so, then how do you explain the many instances where I'm complementary of the CCP, and my insistence it is currently the best option for completion of economic, social, and environmental developments in China? How do you explain my hostility of neocons' and liberal interventionists' China policy, because I believe them to favor their religion of remaking the world in America's image over reason and reality?

I link J-20 related articles, especially those asking pertinent questions. If the claims are correct, then rational SDF posters will not challenge them. If the claims are wrong, then many posters will point out the problems. And if there aren't enough facts to be certain, then the subjects stay open until we see more evidence.

 

[Equation]

Anything? Really? If so, then how do you explain the many instances where I'm complementary of the CCP, and my insistence it is currently the best option for completion of economic, social, and environmental developments in China? How do you explain my hostility of neocons' and liberal interventionists' China policy, because I believe them to favor their religion of remaking the world in America's image over reason and reality?

I link J-20 related articles, especially those asking pertinent questions. If the claims are correct, then rational SDF posters will not challenge them. If the claims are wrong, then many posters will point out the problems. And if there aren't enough facts to be certain, then the subjects stay open until we see more evidence.

Now how come you don't do "hostility" towards your religious institutions or Taiwan government?

The jizz is the that you can't accept there will never be any real J-20 specs due to the PLAAF tend to keep many vital information as a secret. As a result frustrated western media with so called "experts" can only guestimate as best they could, meanwhile naysayers will use that as "pertinent" information?

 

[Blackstone]

Now how come you don't do "hostility" towards your religious institutions or Taiwan government?

I do on both scores. You might not see the former, but on Taiwan, you just saw some negative posts on the Taiwanese province government.

The jizz is the that you can't accept there will never be any real J-20 specs due to the PLAAF tend to keep many vital information as a secret. As a result frustrated western media with so called "experts" can only guestimate as best they could, meanwhile naysayers will use that as "pertinent" information?

We agree naysayers will nay say. On J-20 real data, I'm confident we will eventually see some creditable data, either from official China sources, or from reliable foreign sources.

 

[Equation]

I do on both scores. You might not see the former, but on Taiwan, you just saw some negative posts on the Taiwanese province government.
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But you did it on the CPC more often than the Taiwanese government and no mentioning of the corrupt religious institutions?

We agree naysayers will nay say. On J-20 real data, I'm confident we will eventually see some creditable data, either from official China sources, or from reliable foreign sources.

Foreign sources can never be reliable if they don't have access to the actual information of the J-20. When there's no access (due to the J-20 classified information) there's speculation and speculation is not a legit source as reliable news.

 

[Blackstone]

Take it offline, Equation. We're wasting oxygen in the J-20 thread.

 

[kriss]

all the mountain of criticism that's been levelled to your similarly natured posts over the last few weeks have gone through one ear and out the other.

After all these years on the internet, I've NEVER seen someone can really change another person's mind or behavior by nicely (or not so nicely) talking to them.

 

[latenlazy]

You don't know what I believe or disbelieve in the article, therefore you could only go with the fact I faithfully summarized its contents, with no injections of personal opinions. There isn't much officially released data about the J-20 to make many fact-based statements, so all of us should be willing to change our views as new facts come out. I understand there are "big shrimps" and such with insider info, and they rightly get serious hearings, but their information are sketchy or incomplete and should be viewed that way.

If there are J-20 biases on my, they usually involve rebuffing claims based mainly on group-think and not on available facts. Ergo, I will continue to link articles and such from legitimate sources that conform to SDF rules.

If your goal has been to rebuff groupthink, it seems you have been trying to do so with contrarion groupthink. Hard to argue otherwise when a lot of the articles you're sharing makes the same claims over and over again from different people that we know are, at the very least, misinformed (the J-20's size, its role, etc).

 

[Blitzo]

Take it offline, Equation. We're wasting oxygen in the J-20 thread.

Do us all a favour next time and think about whether you really want to post those sort of articles then.

Maybe you can create a dedicated thread called "what western and foreign defence media think of J-20" instead of polluting the proper dedicated thread with that garbage.

 

[PeoplesPoster]

I actually think Blackstone is quite correct in posting said articles. It's always good to get different viewpoints even if hostile. At the same time they might bring up points that the forum group think might not or don't want to bring up for discussion.