J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

[Blackstone]

I'm sure everyone knows that the J-20 is not battle tested. And at this point, no one expects it to be since it is still in test phase. It is not even formally deployed yet. How does anyone expect it to be battle tested?

Everyone is excited because China successfully developed a 5th gen stealth fighter. It is now deeemd a success because it is progressing smoothly..

The problem with your statement is how does the public know the J-20 is a true Gen-5 aircraft? I mean it's quite possible it's the real deal, and I believe it is (PLAAF is having a coming out party for the sweetie), but we need more data and facts to make that determination. A few more weeks and we'll know a lot more.

 

[manqiangrexue]

The problem with your statement is how does the public know the J-20 is a true Gen-5 aircraft? I mean it's quite possible it's the real deal, and I believe it is (PLAAF is having a coming out party for the sweetie), but we need more data and facts to make that determination. A few more weeks and we'll know a lot more.

How do we know American stealth planes are 5th gen and can hinder Russian/Chinese radar? I mean it's quite possible they can, and I believe they may, but we need more data and facts to make that determination.

 

[Blackstone]

Well then, I'd hope you reserve your thoughts for other fighters as well, such as the F-35, with no combat missions, and an engine that occasionally catches fire. Or the F-22, which has no (significant) combat missions (did it get 1 or 2 sorties against a small third world middle-eastern country with no viable air force or SAMs? Not sure) and occasionally strangles its pilots...

The F-35 still has to prove itself, we're in accord on that. The F-22 has seen combat and the J-20 hasn't. Full stop.

To me, one thing that is amazing about the J-20 is how well it maneuvers despite being "under-powered." That's an aerodynamic engineering marvel right there for me. Everything else, is as it's supposed to be: classified.

So the J-20 is agile and maneuverable. What of it? The Fokker Tri-plane is also agile and maneuverable, and it's designed for close combat. I'll bet you dollars to donuts the J-20's primary mission isn't dog fighting, because one expects Gen-5 fighters to splash other aircrafts way beyond fur ball range.

 

[vesicles]

The problem with your statement is how does the public know the J-20 is a true Gen-5 aircraft? I mean it's quite possible it's the real deal, and I believe it is (PLAAF is having a coming out party for the sweetie), but we need more data and facts to make that determination. A few more weeks and we'll know a lot more.

Then hold on until a few weeks later to make your comments. At this point, your cautionary comments are as empty as others without actual data to back it up. You are making the same mistakes as those enthusiastic about the J-20.

 

[Blackstone]

How do we know American stealth planes are 5th gen and can hinder Russian/Chinese radar? I mean it's quite possible they can, and I believe they may, but we need more data and facts to make that determination.

You're arguing just to argue. No one ever claimed Gen-5 planes could be 'invisible' to all radars, and I think even you know that. There are frequency bands where it's possible to detect stealth aircrafts.

 

[Blackstone]

Then hold on until a few weeks later to make your comments. At this point, your cautionary comments are as empty as others without actual data to back it up. You are making the same mistakes as those enthusiastic about the J-20.

As you say, it would be a few weeks before hard facts come into the public arena. Until then, I standby my original statement.

 

[Blitzo]

Hate to be a wet blanket, but what exactly is so "incredibly amazing" about the J-20? She hasn't seen a single combat sortie, and the public doesn't know her capabilities and shortcomings, aside from complete dependency on Russian engines. I'll grant you she certainly looks pretty, but until she's been battle tested, she's just a beautiful virgin with lots of dudes drooling over her.

I also am not a big fan of superlatives, but I feel like trying to challenge other people's enthusiasm is poor form, and in this context given the content of what you've written itself it contributes little to the discussion and is needlessly combative.

 

[Blackstone]

I also am not a big fan of superlatives, but I feel like trying to challenge other people's enthusiasm is poor form, and in this context given the content of what you've written itself it contributes little to the discussion and is needlessly combative.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. My statement on the J-20 stands.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Fighting against lesser enemies with lesser capabilities isn't a true test either. Before the J-20 stealth was invincible. After the J-20 all of the sudden stealth was vulnerable. That says proclamations it was invincible was hype. They knew there were ways to deal with stealth and especially on their own aircraft but didn't advertise it. And to lessen the accomplishments of the J-20 to claim stealth can be defeated they accidentally revealed there were vulnerabilities to their own aircraft because they wouldn't be able proclaim stealth was vulnerable if they didn't discover it on their own aircraft first.

 

[manqiangrexue]

You're arguing just to argue. No one ever claimed Gen-5 planes could be 'invisible' to all radars, and I think even you know that. There are frequency bands where it's possible to detect stealth aircrafts.

Oh, did I use the word invisible? I don't see it anywhere in my post... But the purpose of stealth is to "hinder" radar detection by the enemy, no? Did I say the J-20's main goal was dog-fighting? (It may be as 2 stealth fighters may both have a difficult time locking onto each other in BVR.) Or did I simply say that it's amazing to me that a large jet with supposedly under-power engines is able to maneuver so beautifully? I think the answer's in the text.

"Hate to be a wet blanket, but J-20's not amazing! Nothing amazing here." LOL Who's here just to argue again?

And what "combat" has the F-22 seen? What foes has it fought against? If any mission is as good as combat, then if China sends J-20 to fly a lap somewhere in the South China Sea to call it "air patrol", is that combat? Or how about if they, for some reason, decide to use it to drop a bomb on a cave with 4 suspected terrorists sitting inside?