J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

[Daniel707]

China's Air Force Chengdu J-20





Incredibly Amazing Fighter !

 

[duncanidaho]

No ! We have seen them with pylons but not with drop-tanks !

IMO they are indeed ready to go to Zhuhai ...

But does J-20 need 4 drop-tanks for its flight to Zhuhai?
Zhuhai is less than 1800 km or 1000 nm from Chengdu apart.

 

[Deino]

China's Air Force Chengdu J-20

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Incredibly Amazing Fighter !
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PLEASE ... do not re-post - regardless how nice these are - old images that have been posted some long time ago ... !!

But does J-20 need 4 drop-tanks for its flight to Zhuhai?
Zhuhai is less than 1800 km or 1000 nm from Chengdu apart.

Most likely they are not really already leaving to Zhuhai but only testing them ...

Deino

 

[delft]

So now we know its plumbed to carry 4 additional "drop tanks", the F-22 typically carries two 600 gallon aux tanks??? I imagine it is also "plumbed" to carry up to 4. Typically you use the two outboard tanks first, then the inboard tanks then internal fuel.

The Mitsubishi turbo-prop I flew the Tips were actually the mains, roll control was "spoilers" rather than traditional ailerons, as the whole aft of the wing was "Fowler Flaps", in order to add lift. So roll control was critical, and it was critical to manage fuel flow to keep the Tip tanks at very near the same level, otherwise you would be flying along having to carry a little spoiler on the light side, creating drag, and reducing "roll responsiveness"

I would imagine that you are right Deino, particularly with the "rolling reversal" and other advanced maneuvers being displayed above.

OT
That Mitsubishi had too many design mistakes, those tip tanks being one of them. They have killed too may people.
I imagine they were saving wing structural weight when putting the fuel in the tip tanks.

 

[Blackstone]

China's Air Force Chengdu J-20

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Hate to be a wet blanket, but what exactly is so "incredibly amazing" about the J-20? She hasn't seen a single combat sortie, and the public doesn't know her capabilities and shortcomings, aside from complete dependency on Russian engines. I'll grant you she certainly looks pretty, but until she's been battle tested, she's just a beautiful virgin with lots of dudes drooling over her.

 

[dingyibvs]

Don't get your panties in a wad, I'm sure he meant it's an amazingly looking plane.

 

[Equation]

Hate to be a wet blanket, but what exactly is so "incredibly amazing" about the J-20? She hasn't seen a single combat sortie, and the public doesn't know her capabilities and shortcomings, aside from complete dependency on Russian engines. I'll grant you she certainly looks pretty, but until she's been battle tested, she's just a beautiful virgin with lots of dudes drooling over her.

Too many PRC good news lately can get Blackstone panty's in a wad. Remember later on China will be launching two Taikonauts into space for the latest space mission.

 

[Blackstone]

Too many PRC good news lately can get Blackstone panty's in a wad. Remember later on China will be launching two Taikonauts into space for the latest space mission.

We should see the world as it really is and not how we wish it is. I'm happy to see China, even under the CCP, do great things in economics, science, technology, and art because not only do they benefit the Chinese, they'd eventually benefit all mankind.

With space mission and Taikonauts, there are undeniable evidence China has done it before and will do it again. Therefore, it's believable. As for the J-20, the public still doesn't have a lot of concrete info on what it could and couldn't do, so we have to wait for more facts to surface.

See the world for what it really is, based on observations and facts, and not how you wish it is.

 

[vesicles]

Hate to be a wet blanket, but what exactly is so "incredibly amazing" about the J-20? She hasn't seen a single combat sortie, and the public doesn't know her capabilities and shortcomings, aside from complete dependency on Russian engines. I'll grant you she certainly looks pretty, but until she's been battle tested, she's just a beautiful virgin with lots of dudes drooling over her.

I'm sure everyone knows that the J-20 is not battle tested. And at this point, no one expects it to be since it is still in test phase. It is not even formally deployed yet. How does anyone expect it to be battle tested?

Everyone is excited because China successfully developed a 5th gen stealth fighter. It is now deeemd a success because it is progressing smoothly.

I would compare the J-20 status like a new college graduate. Yes, she has been a good student in a much sheltered world of school and family. Of course, that does not mean she will be a good worker in the real world. It is still unknown if she can handle the pressure of the real world. Can she be a good leader? Can she be a good president? All unknown...

Yet, everyone at her graduation would still congratulate her for a good job that she has done so far. An important milestone that she has achieved. And wish her continued success in the future. You don't make comments like "she has never held a real job before and has never been tested in the real world. why are you so happy for her? You don't even know she will make it in the real world! It's likely that she would be a complete failure!"

Are your comments valid? Yes! All valid points! However, it is simply illogical to even mention these comments at this point. The J-20 is not at a stage where one should link it to actual combats. It is still under testing.

It's like you see a cute baby. Everyone talks about how cute the kid is. And you start making comments like "he doesn't even have a girlfriend yet. How can we know that he will be a good father?" Valid concern but not appropriate time to ask at this point.

 

[manqiangrexue]

We should see the world as it really is and not how we wish it is. I'm happy to see China, even under the CCP, do great things in economics, science, technology, and art because not only do they benefit the Chinese, they'd eventually benefit all mankind.

With space mission and Taikonauts, there are undeniable evidence China has done it before and will do it again. Therefore, it's believable. As for the J-20, the public still doesn't have a lot of concrete info on what it could and couldn't do, so we have to wait for more facts to surface.

See the world for what it really is, based on observations and facts, and not how you wish it is.

Well then, I'd hope you reserve your thoughts for other fighters as well, such as the F-35, with no combat missions, and an engine that occasionally catches fire. Or the F-22, which has no (significant) combat missions (did it get 1 or 2 sorties against a small third world middle-eastern country with no viable air force or SAMs? Not sure) and occasionally strangles its pilots...

To me, one thing that is amazing about the J-20 is how well it maneuvers despite being "under-powered." That's an aerodynamic engineering marvel right there for me. Everything else, is as it's supposed to be: classified.