J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

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Jeff Head

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South Korea, Japan, and Australia will all be getting the F-35! possibly India??? but who knows, India is still "dreaming" of FGFA???, but China will no doubt move ahead on J-20 production, even though there is little doubt that the Carriers have priority at this particular juncture. Other Air Force Brats on here agree with the "big Brat", I believe the Navy in the PLA has the clout at present, and the idea of an aircraft carrier, and the "sand bar bases", which in effect will function as Satelite Carriers at anchor, will function as a "forward operating area", to project power into and through the SCS.

While J-20s could conceivably be based on these sandbars, they likely will not. More likely to be populated by the erasable Flanker, in significant numbers, with full fuel and weapons, 10,000 will be a "NO SWEAT", ops area. The J-20s will be used in pairs, and likely "rotate" through just as the US uses our relatively more scarce F-22s, but we shall see?? The Marines will have 6 F-35Bs cruising the Far East very soon, and the J-20's will likely fly out to meet them on their initial "operational combat air patrols"! write it down, you heard it here first!
The Marines intend to station 16 F-35Bs in first ten with, Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 121 (VMFA-121), followed by six more in the summer. The will fly off of the Wasp there.

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Probably rotating six at a time, but depending on the exercise and the mission, they can handle more.

Later in the year, another unit will deploy to the Mid-East aboard the USS Essex.
 

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The Marines intend to station 16 F-35Bs in first ten with, Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 121 (VMFA-121), followed by six more in the summer. The will fly off of the Wasp there.

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Probably rotating six at a time, but depending on the exercise and the mission, they can handle more.

Later in the year, another unit will deploy to the Mid-East aboard the USS Essex.

Yes Sir! and let me clarify, I was referring to the J-20s initial combat air patrols, the F-35s will be there in numbers waiting on the J-20s IOC.
 

Jeff Head

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Yeah but if it comes down to a dog fight, the J-20 and it's pilot has a better chance of winning.
I am not sue you can make that statement either.

The F-35B and F-35A are IOC, but there's a lot of its capabilities that are not ready yet. The J-20 right now is not even IOC, so there are even more capabilities not available to it.

Until they are both fully capable...we can not even really evaluate it correctly...and unless there are Red Flag or other aerial exercises where they happen to be able to compete against each other (not likely any time soon) we still will not know for sure.
 

Air Force Brat

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Don't wait too long otherwise the F-35 would be running out of fuel therefore had to return back to base not know the J-20 was there all along.;)

Nah! just call BP airborne, and say "Fill Er UP! and charge it to my favorite Uncle!", and that is the beauty of depth and capacity, you don't have to leave stuff behind just to bring enough JP. As to who will emerge the Victor, I'm rather certain who has the depth in Avionics and Situational Awareness???

Those combat air-patrols will honestly tell us most of what we need to know??? how strong is the radar return?? at what range do we pick you up, do we have enough return for a reliable target "LOCK".
You are always telling us, "Its all about the Program" and a lot does depend on the program, but you've got to have the hardward to do the job, and the F-35 is going IOC rapidly, the USAF has 100 A models right now/?? at least 1/2 to 3/4 of those combat coded, the others dedicated testors???

the Chinese likely hope to "quietly get the J-20 into service" and it will not likely be on many "roust-abouts", the F-35 on the other hand will be like the Raptor and operating out front??? just the way it works, when you know the equipment works. So the program is important, but the hardware/software must "boot up" and run, or you have nothing???

It is far more likely that the day to day business of minding the store, and patrolling the vast sea area that China is attempting to lay claim to, will be handled by Flankers, both J-11s and J-15s, then we will see whats really shakin, and no doubt the USN will continue to operate and upgrade the SHORNET's. It will be an interesting mix of four and fifth gens, very interesting.

Now we have a clue as to the reason for the J-20s large onboard tankage, but remember, you have to carry most of your fuel everywhere you go?? and that cuts down on combat load, as well as maneuverability, there is NO Free Lunch!
 

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Now we have a clue as to the reason for the J-20s large onboard tankage, but remember, you have to carry most of your fuel everywhere you go?? and that cuts down on combat load, as well as maneuverability, there is NO Free Lunch!

Nah..that airborne BP would have been spotted by the J-20 a long time ago before it even get's the 35s. J-20 is a bigger plane with a lot more room for advance electronics, avionics, and maneuverability to boot.
 

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Nah..that airborne BP would have been spotted by the J-20 a long time ago before it even get's the 35s. J-20 is a bigger plane with a lot more room for advance electronics, avionics, and maneuverability to boot.
But quite sure F-35 get a better RCS considering RCS from both and a radar as APG-77 for the Chinese and no sure they can do also good US do from very long time have much more experienceand US modules are considered the best.
Main things to consider number of modules and electr. power but big figters with more big nose for host an big radar get advantage.


With frontal RCS more big as rear

F-35 detect J-20 to ~ 60 km
Opposite 40

F-22 detect J-20 ~ 75 km
Opposite 25

T-50 get about same RCS as J-20
 
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