J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)
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antiterror13
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he says J-31 and F-35 are lemons, and the Europeans are looking for the cheap way out in the stealth game
I think he's confused himself trying to play "unbiased professional", the F-35 is being stood up as operational by the AF and Marines, yes it has some deficiencies, but unlike the opposition, we "air" our dirty laundry in public for the world to see, "not to bright", but thats how it works in a true Republik. The J-31 is clearly underpowered in its prototype stage, the F-35 is overweight, yet still more agile than most of the other 4 gens, and melts its tail feathers when they fire up the AB on the F135. BVR the F-35 will be very, very, tough to beat, all the gum flapping aside, if it gets up close and personal, it will still be tough to beat with that helmet mounted sight and those agile air to air missles capable of being launched "off bore sight", if you're targeted by that helmet, and the missle is launched, you are in a world of hurt! AFB
"you can run, but you can't hide"---Jester Sorry Mig, but lets quit playing international man about town and fly some colors, its OK to admire the opposition, even be complimentary when its deserved, but when you beat down the Raptor, to laud the T-50, or to give the J-20 an offhand compliment, you are simply being INNACCURATE. The Raptor is not the first Princess to be banished to the Tower, hopefully some champion will come along and rescue her before its too late for the Kingdom! AFB
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Yes. The F-35 is indeed a tough cookie to beat if all claims are true. I have difficulty trying to understand why people keep hammering on the F-35, was it simply because that aircraft's developement was getting higher and higher by the days. True we have been seeing some problems surfacing recently or even throughout development, but I like I said before... and I would say again, it is always better that problems surfaced during the developement stage... even at early production stage. It would be a shame if everything is that clean on paper, but when a real battle happen and problems surfaced then...
Anyway, the J-31 only flies once or twice till date, it is underpowered in the prototype stage, and it would be silly to think that the aircraft will stop there instead of being fitted with more powerful engines in the future. Same goes for J-20... and perhaps even T-50. When these three aircrafts matured, I believed that they too will be tough cookies.
There are no underperformed aircraft these days, because countries and developers know full well that if they field something that is underperformed, they are asking for trouble. And so if the Americans find that their F-35 is good enough for deployment, I believe it is good enough for deployment.
The Chinese didn't find their J-20 and J-31 good enough yet, thus development continues... Same would goes for the Russian T-50.
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I never said i am an expert, pretty much i am just a fan, as a fan, i just have read what cassidian has said and claimed
passive radar" that can locate even difficult-to-detect flying objects such as stealth aircraft and that itself is practically undetectable.
As a fan i wonder how do Cassidian knows their radar can work against stealth aircraft?
Does Europe make stealth airframes?
My answer as a fan is yes it does, why i know that? well Neuron UCAV is obviously a very stealthy machine.
[video=youtube;UC6-rC6AcvE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UC6-rC6AcvE[/video]
So as a fan, i can think if i believe what cassidian says is true, then it means Europe can detect F-35, J-31 and even J-20 and F-22, and obviously T-50.
So i am not saying my opinion is right, just if Cassidian is right, the possibility a Rafale detecting a stealth target or and Eurofighter is very high specially now that rafale has AESA radar
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And Sorry, up to what i know in close combat Rafale and Eurofighter claim they have beaten the F-22 in mock combat.
So my opinion was then the J-31 and F-35 won`t be harder.
If you want to believe Europe has that ability is up to you, i just said they claim that.
According to this video, Europe`s selex can develop effective passive radars.
[video=youtube;4-W2J5KF2OU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-W2J5KF2OU&feature=player_embedded[/video]
If Europe has that ability or not is always up to the reader now, but that is a possibility it maybe true.
Will J-20 be effective against cassidian latest radar? well i do not know only time will tell
If you decide you want to believe lockheed martin is also up to you, i just said is possible cassidian is telling the true
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Well let me begin by saying what everyone already knows, I am The Raptor Fan, my real beef with the F-35 is that it was used by the ignorant to kill the Queen of Air Superiority and the Air Force Brass were to "Candy whatever" to fight for the one aircraft that is the Defining Fifth Gen, and that idiot Gates, and ground pounders Cheney and Rumsfeld, along with the heavily Navy, Army, Marine stacked joint chiefs manipulated the F-35 which is designed to be the Joint Strike Fighter, into the end all and be all of airpower, a role she will never excell in because she was NOT designed to be the LEAD A2A bird.....so they load the supposedly simple JSF with all this garbage she was never designed to carry, and all these "partners" who want a "ONE BIRD AIRFORCE" to do it all, I'm suprised LOCKMART doesn't have an E model to replace the C-130, and destroy the design purity and simplicity which could have given us a wonderfull strike fighter, not an A-10, but very good and very stealthy, and escorted to the target and home by the F-22, who "CAN" take on all comers and wanna-be's.
It would be like the Air Force designing the Ford CVs, well, you've got to have an 8,000 ft deck so we can land on it, OK! Yes that is absurd, but no more absurd than the Navy, Marines, Army dictating the death of the Raptor, and the PORKING of the F-35 both physically and financially, hence my loving nickname "ThunderHogge", killing one, and severely handicapping the other.
Now having said that, we will master the F-35 and her engineering challenges, she is a brilliant bird when it comes to situational awareness, she will be able to BVR most all comers, possibly even the Raptor? Nah, but it will be interesting to see. Now for the J-20, and J-31, this has lowered the bar, and one of the reasons I personally believe that developement has slowed on these very sweet airplanes, there will be no hue and cry for OVT and supermaneuverability on the J_20, because if she is stealthy enough, she might come out ahead of all comers in the BVR game, if we can put all the pieces of the puzzle together in on package, now she is agile, and she is designed to go one on one with the "other guys", but that is less important now that the Raptor is OUT of production.
The J-20 is well along in developement and it really shouldn't surprise you it they put her in LRIP shortly, and I believe there is some pressure to do just that. The fact that 2002 is back at Chengdu may be a harbinger of just that, they are continueing to fly her, and I believe 2003 will roll out very soon after the Chinese New Year and 2002 will likely get some new engines, shortly thereafter? We shall see, as for the J-31, its a little early to try to read the tea leaves on that bird? AFB
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