J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

[AeroEngineer]

J-20, 2011's engine !!!

It has already been confirmed that it is NOT AL-31FN, AL-31FM1. It is also highly unlikely to be 117S, because it has TVC nozzle and China did not buy the Su-35 !!

It is rumor to be a highly upgraded WS-10 !!

 

[xiabonan]

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J-20, 2011's engine !!!

It has already been confirmed that it is NOT AL-31FN, AL-31FM1. It is also highly unlikely to be 117S, because it has TVC nozzle and China did not buy the Su-35 !!

It is rumor to be a highly upgraded WS-10 !!

While I do not doubt much the reliability of this picture....

I'm HIGHLY HIGHLY pessimistic about this being a WS-10 variant.

Though I HIGHLY HIGHLY want it to be.

 

[AeroEngineer]

While I do not doubt much the reliability of this picture....

I'm HIGHLY HIGHLY pessimistic about this being a WS-10 variant.

Though I HIGHLY HIGHLY want it to be.

There are one point out the sound to be completely different from AL-31FN, and AL-31FM1 has the same sound. This alone ruled out AL-31FN and AL-31FM1. It can not be 117S because China did not buy the Su-35 and 117S comes with TVC !!

It could be a highly modified AL-31 design specifically for J-20, but it is unlikely. It can not be WS-15 because it is in development. WS-10 variant is possible !!

Lets just wait and see !!

 

[Blitzo]

Let's wait and see.

For the moment, let's give a round of applause to the person who sketched the supposed rear end of 2011. Very impressive, really captured the details.


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Regarding 117S, there's no reason China couldn't have procured the engine without having bought Su-35.

Personally I don't have any particular stance regarding 2011's powerplant's identity, we don't even have a picture for goodness sake.

 

[SinoSoldier]

While I do not doubt much the reliability of this picture....

I'm HIGHLY HIGHLY pessimistic about this being a WS-10 variant.

Though I HIGHLY HIGHLY want it to be.

Why is there so much pessimism whenever the WS-10 breaks the news? The WS-10 is in production and that alone is indicative of its reliability and serviceability. If they wanted a higher thrust variant of the WS-10 they could potentially do it. The only thing keeping them from using the WS-10 would be if the production capacity is so low that the airframes outpace their production.

 

[AeroEngineer]

Why is there so much pessimism whenever the WS-10 breaks the news? The WS-10 is in production and that alone is indicative of its reliability and serviceability. If they wanted a higher thrust variant of the WS-10 they could potentially do it. The only thing keeping them from using the WS-10 would be if the production capacity is so low that the airframes outpace their production.

It is not the production rate !!

Remember WS-10 is developed from the CFM-56's engine core which itself is derived from the GE-F-101 powering the B-1 !!

It is essentially a bomber engine. Even though Later F-101 developed into F-110, a fighter engine. The USAF has stated that PW-F-100 is a better fighter engine.

That means that WS-10 might never be as good of a fighter engine as the F-100 or AL-31F which are specifically designed for fighters !!

I think that the prototype using AL-31FM2 is a better choice !! But WS-10G, the highly upgraded WS-10 could do the job just fine !!

It is just a matter of time, which one mature first !!!

So far, AL-31FM2 is still in development and so does WS-10G !!

Lets wait and find out!!

 

[Blitzo]

It is not the production rate !!

Remember WS-10 is developed from the CFM-56's engine core which itself is derived from the GE-F-101 powering the B-1 !!

It is essentially a bomber engine. Even though Later F-101 developed into F-110, a fighter engine. The USAF has stated that PW-F-100 is a better fighter engine.

That means that WS-10 might never be as good of a fighter engine as the F-100 or AL-31F which are specifically designed for fighters !!

I think that the prototype using AL-31FM2 is a better choice !! But WS-10G, the highly upgraded WS-10 could do the job just fine !!

It is just a matter of time, which one mature first !!!

So far, AL-31FM2 is still in development and so does WS-10G !!

Lets wait and find out!!

First of all, calm down with the exclamation marks.

Second of all, if F110 were really that much of an inferior engine than F100, then why did the USAF (and the world) equip their F-16s with F110, why did south korea and singapore select F110 to power their F-15K and F-15SG instead of the F100 which the USAF used for their F-15Es? Why did Japan select F110 for their F-2s?

I don't know where you're getting the idea that F110 is an inferior engine to F100, or that somehow translates to something about WS-10s performance just because both have CFM-56 as a distant ancestor.

I'm honestly at a loss.

 

[Deino]

I think Quickie meant the number of panels or planes on the fuselage front nose section.

Yes, but alreay all previous prototypes have this feature !

Anyway it seems as if there are some small cooling intakes on the vertical tail's base !

 

[broadsword]

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J-20, 2011's engine !!!

It has already been confirmed that it is NOT AL-31FN, AL-31FM1. It is also highly unlikely to be 117S, because it has TVC nozzle and China did not buy the Su-35 !!

It is rumor to be a highly upgraded WS-10 !!

Damn, I hope you're right. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Might be ready to fly. Is the J-10S a chase plane?

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