J-10 Thread IV

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minime

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Franklin said:
China actually has more twin engine Flankers and J-20’s than single engine J-10’s. This is the opposite of the US that has more single engine fighters rather its the F-16 or the F-35 than twin engine fighters like the F-15 or the F/A-18. And most NATO countries don’t even have twin engine fighters just the single engine F-16 or F-35. It makes sense since singel engine smaller fighters are cheaper to procure and to operate. China should have invested in developing a long range bomber and have fewer Flankers and more J-10’s in her fleet.

The fleet in my view should have been two thirds J-10’s and one third being J-16’s and J-20’s. But China lacks long range strike platforms and the H-6 is showing its age so China has to compensate with Flankers.
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Totally different geo area to cover and defense strategy comparing NATO/US to China.
The US has bases around the world and close distance between Euro countries VS China's area denial to 1st island chain and South China sea.
China need twin engine plane 2:1 to single engine plane, not the other way around.
 
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gelgoog

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The F-35 is also kind of large for a single engine fighter. The F135 engine it uses has 125 kN dry thrust and 191 kN wet thrust.
Compare this with the J-10. The WS-10 engine allegedly has 89 kN dry thrust and 144 kN wet thrust. The F-35 has like 32-40% more engine power.
 
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zbb

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gelgoog said:
The F-35 is also kind of large for a single engine fighter. The F135 engine it uses has 125 kN dry thrust and 191 kN wet thrust.
Compare this with the J-10. The WS-10 engine allegedly has 89 kN dry thrust and 144 kN wet thrust. The F-35 has like 32-40% more engine power.
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Empty weights for F-35A and F-35C are 13.2 tons and 15.7 tons respectively. For comparison, empty weight of the twin engine F-15C is only 12.7 tons. J-10 empty weight is probably 9~10 tons.
 
aahyan

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PAF J-10C To Be Pitted Against Qatari Rafales !​


Next month, the Pakistan Air Force will be sending its J-10C fighters on their first overseas deployment to Qatar for aerial warfare and support exercises in the region with the Qatari Emiri Air Force’s topline fighters....


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siegecrossbow

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aahyan said:

PAF J-10C To Be Pitted Against Qatari Rafales !​


Next month, the Pakistan Air Force will be sending its J-10C fighters on their first overseas deployment to Qatar for aerial warfare and support exercises in the region with the Qatari Emiri Air Force’s topline fighters....


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PAF is so confident in this bird. First against F-15 SA/F-16C/D and now against Rafale and Eurofighter…

Meanwhile data analysts at the CAC be like:

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Viperzero

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I suspect the J-10 probably has a slight advantage over the Rafale.
Comparable T/R technology
Larger Antenna
RBE2 F3R uses holdover PESA software and doesn’t fully AESA while I’m sure the J-10 radar does. I don’t think Qatar uses F4 standard yet?
Generally comparable missiles

Aero configurations are similar, Rafale has a thrust to weight advantage over the J-10A. I don’t know how the Rafale stacks with the J-10C that is supposedly lighter and has a more powerful motor.

Eurofighter radar is similar sized to the J-10, probably similar on paper but this is the export model and it doesn’t have the full capability.

Typhoon has monster thrust and would be a very dangerous opponent, on the other hand it apparently struggles with the Rafale at lower altitudes, that would probably be the case with the J-10.
 
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minime

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siegecrossbow said:
PAF is so confident in this bird. First against F-15 SA/F-16C/D and now against Rafale and Eurofighter…

Meanwhile data analysts at the CAC be like:
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It's JF-17 Block 3 against F-15 SA/F-16C/D IIRC.
This is gonna be the first time PAF bring J-10C abroad, right?
 
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