J-10 Thread IV

[Scratch]

One of the many problems you have with a flameout on a single engine aircraft is that you loose hyraulics, i.e. flight controls. The F-16 for sure, and I'm fairly certain most other single engine fighters these days, have a hydrazine(?) based backup, that drives the hydraulic pump for a few more minutes. That means the aircraft remains controlable and the pilot can assume an attitude and speed safest for ejection.
On dual engine jets, the remaining engine normally is able to drive both gearboxes via a cross-connect, continuing to drive both hydraulic pumps. In case of a dual engine failure though, you're screwed.
Well, kind of, if you desend and glide on, wind speed is normally big enough to keep the turbines windmilling at a rate sufficient to keep the hydraulic pumps going as well.

For the pilot there will of course be a medical check-up and an inquirey into the cause of the crash. If it wasn't a massive screw-up by the pilot, and the ejection didn't hurt his spine (up to 14-16 G for a very short amount of time) he's going to fly again, and rather quickly so.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Both Pilots are reportedly: fine!

They don't look fine. They look like they're about to receive an ass chewing of their lifetime.

 

[siegecrossbow]

The J-10S involved was from the PLAN and not PLAAF. Must've been a first for them.

 

[Blackstone]

The J-10S involved was from the PLAN and not PLAAF. Must've been a first for them.

Figures! Squids don't know how to fly Zoomie planes. I always suspected all Navy personnel were deck apes drafted from 1st Division.

I'm looking at you, Darth Vader.

 

[Equation]

See those Russian made AL-31 engines sux balls. Good thing the J-10 can be fitted with the WS-10 as well.

 

[Hyperwarp]

See those Russian made AL-31 engines sux balls. Good thing the J-10 can be fitted with the WS-10 as well.

Not necessarily. J-10 is after all a single engined fighter. How many J-10 have crashed so far due to engine failure? And how many total in service with the PLAAF/PLAN? I remember guys at Keypublishing MMA Forums calling the F-16 lawndarts.

Can someone compare the attrition rates for the J-10, F-16, Mirage-2000? I don't think AL-31FN is that bad.

 

[kurutoga]

Not necessarily. J-10 is after all a single engined fighter. How many J-10 have crashed so far due to engine failure? And how many total in service with the PLAAF/PLAN? I remember guys at Keypublishing MMA Forums calling the F-16 lawndarts.

Can someone compare the attrition rates for the J-10, F-16, Mirage-2000? I don't think AL-31FN is that bad.

Downed J-10 should be between 10 to 12. Most of these were blamed on the engine.

 

[Schumacher]

See those Russian made AL-31 engines sux balls. Good thing the J-10 can be fitted with the WS-10 as well.

Russian engines simply don't have the reliability needed to power a single engined jet like J10. AL31 may be cheap but CAC and ultimately China will pay a heavy price for relying on it especially when the heat is on.
400+ WS10s are flying on front line jets now with no reports of issues let alone crashes.
SAC clearly has more confidence with new engines using WS10 even on maiden flights on J16, J11D, J15S & WS13 on J31.
PLA needs to station SAC engineers in CAC to fast track the switch of J10 to WS10.

 

[Hyperwarp]

Russian engines simply don't have the reliability needed to power a single engined jet like J10. AL31 may be cheap but CAC and ultimately China will pay a heavy price for relying on it especially when the heat is on.
400+ WS10s are flying on front line jets now with no reports of issues let alone crashes.
SAC clearly has more confidence with new engines using WS10 even on maiden flights on J16, J11D, J15S & WS13 on J31.
PLA needs to station SAC engineers in CAC to fast track the switch of J10 to WS10.

*Sigh* Again, WS-10 powered planes are all twin engined with the exception of the 2 or 3 J-10B prototypes. J-11B/D, J-15, J-16 all have added redundancy if one engine goes out due whatever reason. This is not the case with the single engined J-10. This also applies to F-16, Mirage-2000, etc. Will the WS-10 powered J-10 be more reliable than the AL-31FN variants? Until we see J-11B like numbers of J-10 flying with WS-10, I will hold back on saying which more reliable.

 

[Schumacher]

*Sigh* Again, WS-10 powered planes are all twin engined with the exception of the 2 or 3 J-10B prototypes. J-11B/D, J-15, J-16 all have added redundancy if one engine goes out due whatever reason. ...............

Thanks, Captain Obvious. As stated, there has been no WS10 issues on J11 & derivatives on one or both engines. The excuses for AL31 are wearing thin.