J-10 Thread IV

[manqiangrexue]

Thanks, Captain Obvious. As stated, there has been no WS10 issues on J11 & derivatives on one or both engines. The excuses for AL31 are wearing thin.

Well, if there was a single-engine flame-out on a J-11B, the plane would likely land without publicity. The PLAAF would be unlikely to announce to the world these issues; they would probably try to quietly fix them with the WS-10A guys. So simply never hearing about it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

 

[Schumacher]

Well, if there was a single-engine flame-out on a J-11B, the plane would likely land without publicity. The PLAAF would be unlikely to announce to the world these issues; they would probably try to quietly fix them with the WS-10A guys. So simply never hearing about it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

So never hearing about it means it happened instead ? LOL.
If you want to say it happened, go look for proofs it did.
If you follow PLA, you'd know we have plenty of news & leaks of all kinds of issues with PLA. In fact, PLA propaganda likes to report these kinds of news where 'heroic' pilots lands a jet with engine flame-out saving the jet & lives on the ground.
Are you saying we have more than 10-12 WS10 flame outs & not a peep of news or rumors about it ?

 

[Equation]

Not necessarily. J-10 is after all a single engined fighter. How many J-10 have crashed so far due to engine failure? And how many total in service with the PLAAF/PLAN? I remember guys at Keypublishing MMA Forums calling the F-16 lawndarts.

Can someone compare the attrition rates for the J-10, F-16, Mirage-2000? I don't think AL-31FN is that bad.

Who cares if's it's a single engine or two engine jet planes when if it's the same engine (we've seen WS-10 and AL-31 used for two engine planes before). The fact of the matter is that ALL of J-10 reports that has engine failures had came from AL-31. Even the tested few J-10 with the WS-10 didn't have such an atrocious ratings and percentages in failures in compare to the AL-31 is my main point.

 

[Deino]

Guys ... could You all please calm a bit down especially if we have nearly none confirmed information available ?

- are truly all accidents so far related to an engine failure ? Or are there other reasons (pilot mistake, bird-strike)
- why occurred this failure ? (technical fault, FOD, bird ingestion, maintenance error, ...
- has the AL-31F in the J-11A and batch 01 B a higher failure rate than the WS-10A in the J-11B ?
- how reliable these reports sp. since most are simply from the local media ?
- how does he PLAAF handles such cashes ?

I have a bit that feeling that it's quite easy to always blame the "Russian engine" and to trumpet the "national tone" ... but with barely any facts in hand a conclusion ...

Deino

 

[Deino]

 

[asif iqbal]

J10B Block II unit 6

 

[SinoSoldier]

J10B Block II unit 6

"2XX" serial number suggests that it is a J-10C, 8th unit.

 

[SinoSoldier]

View attachment 22828

Is it just me or does the Sino-Rafale now have a rear-facing MAWS (it could be an antenna but it looks like something is bulging out of its vertical stabilizer)?

 

[Blitzo]

Is it just me or does the Sino-Rafale now have a rear-facing MAWS (it could be an antenna but it looks like something is bulging out of its vertical stabilizer)?

If you are talking about the round thing... well it is possible, but it could also be an antenna or even navigation lights.

I personally think it is a bit small to be MAWS, and the supporting structure around the supposed MAWS aperture is a bit small too minimal as well.

 

[SinoSoldier]

If you are talking about the round thing... well it is possible, but it could also be an antenna or even navigation lights.

I personally think it is a bit small to be MAWS, and the supporting structure around the supposed MAWS aperture is a bit small too minimal as well.

On a second look, it seems to be an antenna (and seeing that the 23rd unit has no MAWS, it's unlikely the sixth unit will). Another possibility is that they now use a newer, more compact MAWS.