You are going to see Deino's reply "No! No J-10D!".
Indeed … but you forgot to add „and please the serial numbers!“By the way, this is 22-111 allegedly from the final two delivered already in Pakistan
J-10 Thread IV
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Indeed … but you forgot to add „and please the serial numbers!“By the way, this is 22-111 allegedly from the final two delivered already in Pakistan
I believe fan-made illustrations of stealthy J-10 version (e.g. the following) have been posted here sometime ago:
Personally, apart from the conformal-fuel-tanks-or-whatever-weird-a$$ protrusions, I do like such design concepts - somewhat.
However, pushing the stealthy J-10 fanfare aside - I would like to bring up this question:
Do you think that China should develop a more affordable, smaller and lighter single-engine 5th-generation fighter that would be better suited for catering to the needs of countries with shallower For-Military-Use pockets in the coming future - Say, for the 2030s, 2040s and 2050s markets?
Maybe a further, 5th-gen version derivation of the J-10 or JF-17?
What I do believe is that we cannot expect that countries with limited defense budgets to just keep buying smaller and lighter 4th-generation single-engined fighters several decades from now. Those fighters certainly cheaper, but they are also getting increasingly outdated. This would render them completely helpless in scenarios where they do face enemies that are operating larger and heavier 5th-(or even 6th-) generation fighters (Pakistan and Bangladesh facing India, or the Pacific island nations facing Australia, etc).
Therefore, going into the future, by giving those countries that couldn't afford the larger and heavier 5th-generation fighters (i.e. F-35, J-20, J-31/35, Su-57, KFX, AMCA, TFX) a viable, realistically cheaper but qualitatively comparable alternative would serve China very well in the global defense market in the coming decades.
Your thoughts?
(I don't count F-35 and Su-75 into consideration for very obvious reasons, hence why I am looking at China.)
Personally, apart from the conformal-fuel-tanks-or-whatever-weird-a$$ protrusions, I do like such design concepts - somewhat.
However, pushing the stealthy J-10 fanfare aside - I would like to bring up this question:
Do you think that China should develop a more affordable, smaller and lighter single-engine 5th-generation fighter that would be better suited for catering to the needs of countries with shallower For-Military-Use pockets in the coming future - Say, for the 2030s, 2040s and 2050s markets?
Maybe a further, 5th-gen version derivation of the J-10 or JF-17?
What I do believe is that we cannot expect that countries with limited defense budgets to just keep buying smaller and lighter 4th-generation single-engined fighters several decades from now. Those fighters certainly cheaper, but they are also getting increasingly outdated. This would render them completely helpless in scenarios where they do face enemies that are operating larger and heavier 5th-(or even 6th-) generation fighters (Pakistan and Bangladesh facing India, or the Pacific island nations facing Australia, etc).
Therefore, going into the future, by giving those countries that couldn't afford the larger and heavier 5th-generation fighters (i.e. F-35, J-20, J-31/35, Su-57, KFX, AMCA, TFX) a viable, realistically cheaper but qualitatively comparable alternative would serve China very well in the global defense market in the coming decades.
Your thoughts?
(I don't count F-35 and Su-75 into consideration for very obvious reasons, hence why I am looking at China.)
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Sure. I said it before here. Once the WS-15 is available it makes sense to make a single engine fighter based on it.
But if something like that does happen it won't look anything like the J-10.
Like I said it could look like the McDonnell Douglas X-36, Bird of Prey, or something like that.
But if something like that does happen it won't look anything like the J-10.
Like I said it could look like the McDonnell Douglas X-36, Bird of Prey, or something like that.
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By J-10D I mean this one, EW enhanced model with bigger spine.
I doubt in the era of 5th gen, PLA will do much to the J-10 like your fan-made illustrations.
I don't get the fascination people have with "modifying" existing aircraft like it's a honda civic. Also, if you wanna modify your Civic, you take it to a 3rd party mechanic. You don't take it to the dealership and ask them to "modify" it, until it looks like a NSX. Because the dealership would say "why don't you just buy an NSX? We have one right here!"
Like gelgoog said, just build a new aircraft from scratch if you want major structural changes. All the work on aerodynamics has to be redone and you're gonna need a whole new production line to make that bird anyway.
Yes, but if you look at the construction number, it is a Batch 07 J-10C and NOT a J-10D.
Why it has these changes is still unknown and several options are under discussion, but IMO it‘s clearly not the long-expected secret J-10D
I did not put any emphasis on that China must modify the existing J-10 and JF-17 into resembling 5th-generation fighter designs.
What I do intend to emphasis is for China to develop a 5th-generation role-equivalent fighter to the J-10 and/or JF-17 that we currently have.
I was referring to the people who make these PS'd images.
IMO, with J31/35, that boat has sailed already.
There is no more room for a brand new 5th gen fighter project in PLAAF.
JF-17 is just an exception for a unique circumstance.
