J-10 Thread IV

siegecrossbow

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Blitzo said:
The issue with unguided bombs or ground strafing is that you need your aircraft to fly at relatively low altitudes to accurately target even those sort of fixed relatively large targets.

Flying at lower altitudes exposes them unnecessarily to lower altitude rudimentary air defense systems like AAA or MANPADS.


The benefit of PGMs is if you are able to suppress or defeat enemy long range or medium range air defenses, it allows you to be able to defeat targets with impunity, without exposing your valuable fighter aircraft or strike fighter to low altitude short range air defenses.
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My point is that they are useful after enemy anti air has been suppressed if you can afford the sorties rate.
 
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siegecrossbow said:
My point is that they are useful after enemy anti air has been suppressed if you can afford the sorties rate.
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Right, I'm saying that the extent of suppression of enemy air to enable sufficiently low risk use of non guided munitions or strafing, is one that is unattainable by the PLA against any of its prospective opponents.

The enemy has to be GWOT type insurgents like Taliban or ISIL, to be used safely.

If the enemy has AAA and MANPADS (neither of which can be easily suppressed comprehensively), then risking a fighter jet to use unguided weapons is not a great idea.
 
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Just an interesting photo and somewhat related to J-10. A 6-degrees-of-freedom movement system for wind tunnel models. In this case, the model is a J-10. However, the image shouldn't be taken as proof that J-10 is capable of performing the Cobra.

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Schwerter_

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by78 said:
Just an interesting photo and somewhat related to J-10. A 6-degrees-of-freedom movement system for wind tunnel models. In this case, the model is a J-10. However, the image shouldn't be taken as proof that J-10 is capable of performing the Cobra.

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Is it though? While figure 8 does look like J-10’s side profile the model in figure 7 looks like the if-17 to me
 
Schwerter_

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by78 said:
Could be. It's too grainy to tell for sure.
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Judging from the shape of the vertical stabilizer and the drag chute bay at the bottom I think there's a reasonable chance that it's indeed the JF-17

source: hundreds of hours sitting in front of monitor with my sorry ass flying said jet in DCS (xd
 
Mohsin77

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siegecrossbow said:
If you want to launch cruise missiles against tents and donkeys then something is not right.
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If anyone has to 'launch' anything against donkeys, something isn't right.

siegecrossbow said:
My point is that they are useful after enemy anti air has been suppressed if you can afford the sorties rate.
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The only use-case for dumb bombs is if the navigational constellations have been destroyed, which would neutralize a major component of PGM inventories.... I can't really think of any other reason why dumb bombs should be back on the menu because PGMs achieve a much higher effect on target per munition expended (plus the other benefits of reducing collateral damage and attrition).
 
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