J-10 Thread IV

SinoSoldier

Colonel
That's a bit of a debacle, in my opinion, that the J-10As have so much life left, yet their avionics are basically obsolete. It's gonna be one heck of an MLU to get them up to speed...

The J-10A's Type 1473G radar is claimed to be roughly comparable to the F-16 Block 52+'s AN/APG-68.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
The J-10A's Type 1473G radar is claimed to be roughly comparable to the F-16 Block 52+'s AN/APG-68.
Is that right? I had no idea. Could you give me some reference? I was under the impression that J-10A's radar was basic MSA, comparable with early F-16, Su-27SK or so. I was thinking it would be very difficult for J-10A's avionics to engage something like late F-16, F-15J, Mitsubishi F-2, MKI, Super Hornet, etc... Yeah, it would eat an F-4 or F-5 alive LOL I wasn't thinking about that and I doubt anyone would send either or those 2 to intercept Chinese fighters.

"...MLU could simply involve refitting them with a new AESA, new EW and datalinks, and possibly a new cockpit..." - Blitzo

Yup, that's what I meant. Bringing them close to J-10B standard or even C if possibly on an internal level.
 
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antiterror13

Brigadier
Is that right? I had no idea. Could you give me some reference? I was under the impression that J-10A's radar was basic MSA, comparable with early F-16, Su-27SK or so. I was thinking it would be very difficult for J-10A's avionics to engage something like late F-16, F-15J, Mitsubishi F-2, MKI, Super Hornet, etc... Yeah, it would eat an F-4 or F-5 alive LOL I wasn't thinking about that and I doubt anyone would send either or those 2 to intercept Chinese fighters.

Well, next time when you claim something is "obsolete" like you did on J-10A (#438), make sure you know what you are talking about, you just can't simply say now "I had no idea" .

With your analogy, all PLAAF fighters are obsolete already (against F-22 in Japan), indeed all fighters in the world are obsolete but F-22 .... just following your flawed analogy
 
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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Well, next time when you claim something is "obsolete" like you did on J-10A (#438), make sure you know what you are talking about, you just can't simply say now "I had no idea" .

With your analogy, all PLAAF fighters are obsolete already (against F-22 in Japan), indeed all fighters in the world are obsolete but F-22 ... really funny

Well, that's not very forgiving. I gotta make mistakes to learn too LOL. I still wanna know how Sinosoldier concluded that J-10A's radar was comparable to F-16 Block 52.

Yeah, well Raptors are very few in number and they don't use Raptors to intercept incoming fighters over territorial disputes (yet). I'm comparing them to mainstay fighters that are high in number like the ones I'd mentioned before and operated by neighboring countries. The only way you'll encounter Raptors is if you get into a shooting war with the US and that's a whole other can of worms. I'm talking about more possible regional skirmishes. I specifically didn't mention F-22 and F-35. But I am comparing J-10A to other 4th generation fighters that can be encountered in large numbers operated by countries like India and Japan and which are likely options for them to send in operations where they feel they might encounter hostile Chinese fighters.
 

Blitzo

Lieutenant General
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Is that right? I had no idea. Could you give me some reference? I was under the impression that J-10A's radar was basic MSA, comparable with early F-16, Su-27SK or so. I was thinking it would be very difficult for J-10A's avionics to engage something like late F-16, F-15J, Mitsubishi F-2, MKI, Super Hornet, etc... Yeah, it would eat an F-4 or F-5 alive LOL I wasn't thinking about that and I doubt anyone would send either or those 2 to intercept Chinese fighters.

I think J-10As are generally considered similar to F-16Cs in the air to air role.
One of the key capability differences, is that F-16A/Bs (unupgarded) were unable to fire multiple active radar homing BVR AAMs at once, whereas J-10A and F-16C both could.


"...MLU could simply involve refitting them with a new AESA, new EW and datalinks, and possibly a new cockpit..." - Blitzo

Yup, that's what I meant. Bringing them close to J-10B standard or even C if possibly on an internal level.

Yes, and doing so would be quite normal and not too difficult. If anything it would be expected.
 

Insignius

Junior Member
Ok so J10A/S we have 07 batches

That's equipping 10 x PLAAF regiments and 1 x PLAN regiments

We have FTTC and and demonstration team

If we standard and take the assumption of 28 x J10A per PLAAF regiment and 24 x J10A for PLAN i get a figure of around 330+ x J10A/S

Now to J10B

01 batch so far with 53 units

Get a number for all variants almost close to 400 units because some PLAAF regiments are larger than standard 28 fighters

Now if we look at J11B


We have 9 x Regiments with J11B flying with PLAAF

3 x PLAN regiments

Total in excess of 300 fighters but not as much as J10 units

So J10A is in larger numbers than J11B

This also means more than 500 x WS10 engine are flying operationally on J11B alone (01 batch was Russian)

I wished there was an update to this very handy chart. Looks like the PLAAF is growing faster than expected.

msdi1d.jpg
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Yes I know someone just needs to put the time in

I am sure Deino has something like this in his book

Theflankers numbers are about right for that time but they include everything like Su-30MKK and Su-27 etc
 
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