J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)
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i think the video should settle the argument about J-10's turning ability lol...good to see some high quality training from PLAAF though
If 6 or 7 operational regiments is a matter of how you define "operational" !
IMO we could also include the FTTC and so we get:
1. = FTTC,
2. = 44. Division,
3. = 3. Division,
4. = 2. Division,
5. = 1. Division (even if I havn't seen a confirmed picture yet)
6. = 24. Division + 1. August demo-team
7. = 9. Division (maybe still in transition)
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8. = 18. Division (propably)
Does anyone know more about the reports/rumours about a second regiment within the 44. Division ?? I'm not sure - and again need to count - , but I have that strange feeling that there are more machines noticed than a in regular regiment ... IMO this unit serves as a OCU.
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so with that how many J-10 is in service right now?
according to last month issue of kanwa, at LIMA airshow in malaysia,Pakistan is seeking italian-swedish AESA radar for J-10,which will start entering service in 2012.this indicated Chinese AESA will not yet be ready for 2012.
aside from Jpan and China, korea is also pursuing there own AESA radar,during the defense exhibition in S. korea,South korea unveil mock up of AESA,same size as Zhuk-MS, along with small demonstrator radar with 50 T/R module.
aside from Jpan and China, korea is also pursuing there own AESA radar,during the defense exhibition in S. korea,South korea unveil mock up of AESA,same size as Zhuk-MS, along with small demonstrator radar with 50 T/R module.
Just a test pilot for J-10 commenting on some of his experiences with flight testing, missile testing, especially using the J-10 platform. Talks about in May of 2009, J-10 succeeded in hitting target 39 out of 40 times. Talks a lot about the failures they had with fighter radar in locking onto target drones in the past.
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Or simply that China is not prepared to release AESA radar tech to pakistan that early, but its nice to see you not jump on the conclusion that paints China in the most negative light.
It may've been the magazine that "indicated" the point - but the reliability of Kanwa definitely isn't up for dispute...Or simply that China is not prepared to release AESA radar tech to pakistan that early, but its nice to see you not jump on the conclusion that paints China in the most negative light.
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Or simply that China is not prepared to release AESA radar tech to pakistan that early, but its nice to see you not jump on the conclusion that paints China in the most negative light.
If China is giving Pakistan AESA based AEW&C ZDK-03, which would get commissioned in about 2 years, then getting a Chinese AESA for FC-20 won't be much of a problem.
PAF would always keep a mixture of Chinese and Western platforms, same can be said about the Avionics too.
And PAF has long been interested in the Italian joint ventured AESA radar, as that company has very strong and old relations with PAF, this same company provided PAF with the Grifo radars for its F-7Ps and PGs, Falco UAV technology and they were even favorite for the JF-17 avionics & weapons package hopefully in future we may even see an AESA and weapons package from this same company or its sister companies.
Finmeccanica S.p.A. is the company, under which many sister concerns work, with many Pakistan has defence dealings ranging from Grifo radars, drones, Spada 2000 Plus SAM system etc etc.
And what PAF is doing is that it is making the Chinese company and western company fight with each other resulting in better products, from which PAF can choose. PAF using Chinese avionics would give it more leverage in the international market, as PAF goes for the best which it can afford, and if PAF selects chinese weapons systems, it means they are good enough to compete with any good western product.
Kuwait bought the Chinese PL-45 howitzers, after it beat the western products, what happened then ?? Kuwait ordered more, and then KSA also ordered seeing its performance with another arab country.
Same will happen on Pakistani side, Chinese products will be exposed to other countries through PAF, which will bring more orders for Chinese products.
And for the time PAF if is interested in western AESA seems logical, as same rumors used to exist before JF-17 came into being, there was talk of the Grifo series radar, but in the end the Chinese came up with a better product for the JF-17, and PAF opted for the Chinese package. This also seems an interest, may be in a year or two or when the FC-20 induction comes near, we may a better product from the Chinese side just like the JF-17 program.
China has even offered its state of the art Type-054A frigate and some recent news about the submarine sector too, so if China is ready to share such high tech equipment with Pakistan, then wht is the issue in a small AESA radar ???
Or it could just be because kanwa is no longer a good source for anything and that challenge needs to stop copying & pasting stuff from wforum.
I've explained this many times before. There are systems and subsystems that Chinese companies are allowed to export and there are ones that they are not. It's the same with every weapons producer around the world. China will decide when certain systems/subsystems will be allowed to be exported. You will have PAF ordering J-10 and giving China a list of requirements. And CAC will do its best to find all the necessary suppliers to fulfill these requirements. China may or may not allow certain subsystems to be exported and that's due to its export policies. In that case, PAF may have to find Western supplier for radar. But I personally think enough Chinese radar firms is in this field to provide the appropriate radar for Pakistan.
I've explained this many times before. There are systems and subsystems that Chinese companies are allowed to export and there are ones that they are not. It's the same with every weapons producer around the world. China will decide when certain systems/subsystems will be allowed to be exported. You will have PAF ordering J-10 and giving China a list of requirements. And CAC will do its best to find all the necessary suppliers to fulfill these requirements. China may or may not allow certain subsystems to be exported and that's due to its export policies. In that case, PAF may have to find Western supplier for radar. But I personally think enough Chinese radar firms is in this field to provide the appropriate radar for Pakistan.
That would be logical if China was the most advanced nation producing latest technology and not willing to risk others copy it. Surely they have some fields they run pretty good but talking about J6, J7, J10 and even JF17 I doubt that it is the case.
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