J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)
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That would probably be a F-16 powered by the Pratt & Whitney F100 engine, which has less thrust than the other option, the General Electric F110 engine, which powers the majority of the USAF F-16 fleet.
Infra_Man99
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13,000 kg is about 28,660 lb.
From what I have read on the USAF website and other military websites, most F-16s in the US have more or less 28,000 to 29,000 lb-ft of max afterburner thrust, with a thrust to weight ratio of around 6.5:1 to 8.0:1.
That's just the thrust. I don't know the details of the engines performance at various altitudes, maneuvers, and velocities. Then there's procurement cost, maintenance, fuel efficiency, response rate, failure characteristics, reliability, etc. Anyhow, I wouldn't be surprised if the US fighter jet engines were generally superior to Russian equivalents.
I guess the F-16 jets' engines' performance have superior response rate to the J-10A jets' engines, and the former engines have more consistent performance at various speeds and altitudes than the latter engines. This would partly explain why the J-10A has superior turning rate and climbing rate (a combo of superior aerodynamics and fly-by-wire system matched with adequate engine performance), while the F-16 has superior acceleration and takeoff distances (superior engine performance).
I take this info with a grain of salt. I saw a video of a J-10A making a short takeoff that is unmatched by any regular F-16 and F-15 I have seen.
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Infra_Man99
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The F-16A has a lot less than 13,000 kg of max thrust (according to ), and you said the article talked about an F-16 with 13K kg of max thrust, so the article's F-16 should be the F-16C or F-16D (2 seater).
I read the F-16A is a superior VR dogfighter than the later F-16 jets, but the later F-16 jets are vastly superior BVR dogfighters. Apparently, the later F-16 jets acquired advanced electronics (fly-by-wire, avionics, & sensors), additional structural components, and heavier, but more powerful engines. In other words, the later F-16 jets weigh a lot more than the F-16A, so the later F-16 jets' thrust-to-weight ratio may be slightly inferior (F-16D) or about the same (F-16C) or substantially better (F-16E and F-16IN) than the F-16A jets, but their wing loading is inferior and their center-of-gravity relative to their center-of-lift is inferior. Once again, I don't know how these engines perform at various altitudes, velocities, and angles of attack. I also don't know other detailed features of these engines (response rate, efficiency, reliability, etc).
Anyhow, the F-16A has a max initial turn rate of 26 degrees/second and a max sustained turn rate of 18 degrees/second. (Source: )
If the above info is true, and if the J-10A does have a max turn rate of 33 degrees/sec (Is this initial or sustained?), then the J-10A is a very agile jet. I read the respective numbers for the Su-27 is 28 degrees/sec and 23 degrees/sec. The Su-35 (or any Su-27 variant with canards) has better low speed agility than the non-canard Su-27 variants, but inferior high speed agility than the non-canard Su-27 variants.
But like I previously said, your source claimed the F-16 has a shorter takeoff distance than the J-10A, but I've seen a video of a standard J-10A making a shorter takeoff than any standard F-16 or F-15 I have seen.
hmm, Challenge has a way of understating everything China made with strange articles. But this one I think did come out. but J-10A is definitely up there with the other eurocanards when it comes to ITR and STR. 33 is ITR. I think the take-off for J-10 is 350 m and roll rate is 300 deg/s or something like that. I had a post on this when it first came out and some of the numbers came out. I'm skeptical of the claim that J-10 has longer takeoff than F-16.
maozedong
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12月21日，暖暖冬日的南疆大地上，400余名官兵庄严列阵，四架崭新的歼-10战机在金色的阳光下一字排开，广空航空兵某部新机授装接装仪式隆重举行。
据悉，这已是该部五年来第二次整建制换装，此次歼-10飞机的列装，标志着该部所属军区远程制空作战能力的大幅提升，同时也给该部作战体系建设和武器装备建设带来了新的转变。在未来三代战机呈剑形部署的南海一线，该部所属防区内通过主战飞机高低搭配、混合配置，其军事任务中攻防兼备的结构将更加合理完善，应急作战能力将实现质的提高。
the article talk about Guangzhou Military Region an airforce unit receive new J-10, I think its 9 division.
Yes, You can see the 9. Div's badge in the left corner !
My "problem" is, why Scramble.nl and others say the 9. Div is flying J-10 since about one year ... also some J-10 have been seen there long before and now they received officially only their first four machines.
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