J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

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pla101prc

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Lion said:
That is the big advantge of being small in a dogfight. Flanker being so big can be easily spotted when within eyeball vision. While J-7 flying fast and tight and being small can easily lose track by the flanker pilot in a high pulse pursuing dogfight.
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ic..cuz the way crobato phrased his statement made it sound like the J-7 pilots were in fact better than the flanker pilots
 
bladerunner

bladerunner

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They might have been to. Looking bat at the history of dogfighting in the ist and 2nd world wars Korean war, their are often stories of pilots in inferior planes distinguishing themselves. THe various spitfire Variants against thei adverseries in the ME's and FW's, for instance.

In the korean War there were us pilots who flew totally inadequet Shooting Stars and Thunderjets against the vastly superior Migs until the advent of the Sabres, when then reversed the positions
 
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plawolf

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Regarding j7s beating flankers, well it makes perfect sense. It just shows the different skill sets and mentality flying different types breeds. J7 pilots spend their entire careers training and practicing dogfights, put them in a flanker and they can make the most of its agility easily. J8 pilots otoh don't have the same dogfighting skills because of the limitations if the airframe they were flying never allowed them to develop those skills to the same level. But i bet the j8 pilots who converted to flankers were owing the j7 convertees in bvr fights to start with for the same reason. But obviously the plaaf thought it would be easier to learn bvr then dogfighting, and i tend to agree with them.

On the j10 prototypes, i think the second to last pic is very important. Thats the first time i have seen the j10's canards depressed to such a degree. All the other pics hardly show any movement in the canards, yet the j10 has still demonstrated impressive turning ability. Just think how much more impressive the j10 might be able to turn if the pilot forgot abt retaining energy and just did a fully blooded turn at max canard deflection.
 
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Centrist

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Hey guys, check out the exhausts on these J-10s. This is the first time I can honestly say it might be WS-10 (I put a photo I found of WS-10's nozzel for comparison).
 
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maozedong

maozedong

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Centrist said:
Hey guys, check out the exhausts on these J-10s. This is the first time I can honestly say it might be WS-10 (I put a photo I found of WS-10's nozzel for comparison).
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the pix is so small, it's hard to find out.

WS-10 pix is below:

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Lion

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maozedong said:
the pix is so small, it's hard to find out.

WS-10 pix is below:

[qimg]http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/attachments/Mon_0903/27_5653_2df82bec39e9514.jpg[/qimg]
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This is a very early WS-10 engines which I believed was taken in 2002 which the domestic engines was not certify that time. WS-10 engines was officially aprroved only in 2008. A lot of changes might happen in the 6 years time.

Present WS-10 engines might be very different in appearance from the 2002 photo taken when fix on the plane.
 
maozedong

maozedong

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see the deference of both:
here is WS-10 below:

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here is Al-31F below:

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the major deference for both are the nose inside, so that J-10 pix is so small, its hard to find out,so, we can not say that J-10 pix is WS-10.
 
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