J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[crobato]

If J-10 needed to be that close to Chengdu, it doesn't make sense to deploy them with the 44th which is at Yunnan. It would have made better sense to deploy them with the 33rd, which is at Chongging, just right next door. The 33rd has a full regiment of two seater Flankers for training on top of that.

 

[FugitiveVisions]

Since we are on the topic of the placement of new equipment in the PLAAF, I just like to point out that there seems to be logic and design behind the locations of units receiving J10s, J11s and JH-7s.

In the vicinity of Taiwan, there are approximately seven or eight units forming a ring with a radius of roughly 800-1000km around the Eastern Taiwanese proper, behind the covers of four S300 and a few HQ-9/12 systems along the coast. Only the J10 regiment at Shantou is forward deployed into the SAM wall.

In addition, six other units are concentrated in the Shanghai area, and out of those, only the Su30MKK unit at Wuhu and the PLAAF JH7A unit at Hangzhou possess a direct threat to the Taiwanese proper by the virtue of their strike roles while the rest of the units are mostly naval strike units destined to form a threat against the enemy's naval assets in the East China Sea. Regiments at Chongqing and Yunnan provide depth and offers a way to deal with India.

To the north, we have a cluster of J10 and Su units aimed to protect Beijing and JH-7As and MKKs to offer strike abilities against SK/US/Japanese assets to the East. I just find that the arrangements can be roughly sorted out by functionality of the units.

 

[crobato]

I had a theory that goes like this.

Traditionally, the J-8 and J-8II units are the ones considered elite. They also got the Flankers first.

When the PLAAF began to enact their own equivalent to Top Gun and other dogfighting programs, they discovered the J-7 units were owning the J-8II units. They also discovered the Flankers with the former J-7 pilots were also owning the Flankers flown by former J-8II pilots. To make matters worst, the J-7 pilots on J-7s were also owning the Flankers flown by J-8II pilots.

Since then, J-8II units stopped Flanker conversions and all Flanker conversions focused mostly on J-7 units. When the J-10 came, they too were focused on all J-7 units. J-8II units were upgraded to the J-8F instead.

The 44th was a highly regarded J-7 unit. Good pilots but badly in need of new planes.

One notable exception was the 24th Division, which soldered on with J-8Is. I mean first generation J-8Is! They managed to keep their old birds well maintained, flyable, and developed an impeccable record for safety and high readiness. Without any BVR, these birds also forced pilots to rely mostly on their WVR skills. In my opinion, they deserved their new J-10s.

As much as there is a strategic system involved, the merit system is also deeply involved in the J-10 allocation process.

 

[tphuang]

I can not accpet your oppinion, J-10 deployed to 44th because it was close to CAC, this is not convincing, how do you explain J-10 deploy in Guangxi and Yunnan?
Flanker deployment is defferent case, you should know what condition PLAAF in early 90s.

do you realize that 2nd division is one of PLAAF's elite divisions? Do you know what that means? They are always amongst the first to get the new planes. 44th division got selected for many reason. I think Crobato's explanation are good. I also think that it got selected because it's close to CAC and didn't have any 3rd generation planes yet. But to say that J-10 are placed where they are because PLAAF wouldn't use them in the beginning of the war is complete nonsense.

As for this merit system, I do think a division in PLAAF can move up if it shows good performance. I couldn't remember which one now, but a while back, one of the big shrimps mentioned another division being elevated to the same level as 1, 2 and 3.

 

[luhai]

A.Man, do you have a CCTV (space.tv.cctv.com) link to the J-10 demo from the same event, posted by luhai -

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Here is the CCTV version. CCTV didn't put these videos up when I posted them.

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[Hyperwarp]

Some great shots for the J-10 Prototypes 01 & 03 :

 

[lilzz]

 

[tphuang]

from the 60th anniversary air show, I saw a bunch of photos of 30550, 30551, 30650, 30653, all from the 24th regiment. That's on top of 30651 we spotted a while ago, so looks like this regiment is pretty much fully converted, since they are actually available for air show.

 

[pla101prc]

I had a theory that goes like this.

Traditionally, the J-8 and J-8II units are the ones considered elite. They also got the Flankers first.

When the PLAAF began to enact their own equivalent to Top Gun and other dogfighting programs, they discovered the J-7 units were owning the J-8II units. They also discovered the Flankers with the former J-7 pilots were also owning the Flankers flown by former J-8II pilots. To make matters worst, the J-7 pilots on J-7s were also owning the Flankers flown by J-8II pilots.

Since then, J-8II units stopped Flanker conversions and all Flanker conversions focused mostly on J-7 units. When the J-10 came, they too were focused on all J-7 units. J-8II units were upgraded to the J-8F instead.

The 44th was a highly regarded J-7 unit. Good pilots but badly in need of new planes.

One notable exception was the 24th Division, which soldered on with J-8Is. I mean first generation J-8Is! They managed to keep their old birds well maintained, flyable, and developed an impeccable record for safety and high readiness. Without any BVR, these birds also forced pilots to rely mostly on their WVR skills. In my opinion, they deserved their new J-10s.

As much as there is a strategic system involved, the merit system is also deeply involved in the J-10 allocation process.

how is that possible? j-7 is a very good platform i agree but how can it possibly beat even the earlier version of flanker? did the j-7 pilot have more flying hours than j-8II pilots?

 

[Lion]

how is that possible? j-7 is a very good platform i agree but how can it possibly beat even the earlier version of flanker? did the j-7 pilot have more flying hours than j-8II pilots?

That is the big advantge of being small in a dogfight. Flanker being so big can be easily spotted when within eyeball vision. While J-7 flying fast and tight and being small can easily lose track by the flanker pilot in a high pulse pursuing dogfight.