J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[challenge]

a TV program on CCTV discussing the prospect of China exporting J-10. There is a bunch of stuff said about J-10.

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- First J-10 has excellent maneuverability, so a lot of advantage in WVR combat
- Using J-10 to take orders away from F-16
- J-10's T/W ratio allows for its climb rate, it's sea level acceleration, its roll rate and take-off distance to be very good
- It says that J-10 is mass equipped with ESA radar (didn't mention PESA or AESA), kind of surprising because up to this point, we all thought it was using slotted array radar
- It says that the radar allows it to detect stealth fighters at certain distance (I'm assuming it's saying a respectable distance).
- It says that it is equal to or better than F-16C in most aspects (I think it's being compared to the recent variant in Singapore) and that it's also currently the best fighter in Asia in this category.
- they believe that the climb rate of J-10 is greater than that of Rafale

CCTV do not mention ESR,rather it stated "phase array radar" slotted array mechanical radar also qualified as a phase array radar.
last year article, Pakistan ,seeking to counter AESA equip IAF MiG-35,report is seeking Chinese make AESA radar ,this after been rebuffed by Thales to purchase AESA radar.(after US pressure)
this clue,that J-10B may be flying with prototype of locally design AESA.

 

[challenge]

Aside from the F-16E, I doubt what you say.

ECM---The MLU is mostly for export, which is to say, the ECM is not as good as the domestic models. Pretty sure it lacks things like DRFM, and the US does not include a lot of things for the sake of trust. Another point, you don't know much about the state of ECM from the Chinese side. Having said that, the J-10 appears to be implementing a phase shifting directional beaming kind of system on the tail, which allows you to beam multiple beams at different points simultaneously. That looks pretty good to me. When anyone claims ECM is better than the other, one can always say, you got no empirical state to demonstrate that.

Better Radar---Not quite. The APG-66 was originally intended as a small, cheap kind of radar, not so powerful, made to fit size and price points, as well as for export. The original version cannot even be considered suitable for BVR. You can only cram and do so much into the basic design before you replace it completely (F-16E/F).

the original APG-66 do not even have ground mapping,SAR and illuminating capability for SM radar guide missile,it was added in later model.

 

[King_Comm]

CCTV do not mention ESR,rather it stated "phase array radar" slotted array mechanical radar also qualified as a phase array radar.
AESA.

The video said 相控阵, slotted array is usually refered to as 平板隙缝阵 in China. Although given CCTV's track record, there is a good chance that the narrator doesn't know what the heck he's talking about.

 

[challenge]

The video said 相控阵, slotted array is usually refered to as 平板隙缝阵 in China. Although given CCTV's track record, there is a good chance that the narrator doesn't know what the heck he's talking about.

It still need confirmation from PLAAF or AVIC spokeman.

 

[mean_bird]

a TV program on CCTV discussing the prospect of China exporting J-10. There is a bunch of stuff said about J-10.

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- First J-10 has excellent maneuverability, so a lot of advantage in WVR combat
- Using J-10 to take orders away from F-16
- J-10's T/W ratio allows for its climb rate, it's sea level acceleration, its roll rate and take-off distance to be very good
- It says that J-10 is mass equipped with ESA radar (didn't mention PESA or AESA), kind of surprising because up to this point, we all thought it was using slotted array radar
- It says that the radar allows it to detect stealth fighters at certain distance (I'm assuming it's saying a respectable distance).
- It says that it is equal to or better than F-16C in most aspects (I think it's being compared to the recent variant in Singapore) and that it's also currently the best fighter in Asia in this category.
- they believe that the climb rate of J-10 is greater than that of Rafale

I highly doubt it reaches blk 50/52 level in terms of avionics and not to mention Asia also constitutes UAE, Israel and Japan.

 

[bladerunner]

I highly doubt it reaches blk 50/52 level in terms of avionics and not to mention Asia also constitutes UAE, Israel and Japan.

ff UAE Israel may be considered part of asia in sporting level but in Geo politics arent they classified as the middle east?

 

[Lion]

Pakistan air force personnel has selected french radar over the chinese make KLJ-7 radar for there fleet of FC-1/JF-17 fighter.this despite effort by AVIC to market the KLJ-7.
Pakistani was quite familiar with US/european make avionic,for decade they been operating french/brit/and US make fighters. not to mention hundred of engineers working in the saude/kuwaiti air force.
while they admitted the Chinese make avionic make tremendous progress in the last 10 years, still behind that of european/US.this important factor while PAF has selected european equipment .

When did PAF selected French Radar? There was plenty of talk about PAF selecting western radar. In the end, none of them materialise.

The first PAF 50 JF-17 are equipped with KLJ-7 and so far there is no news of what radar will the next batch of PAF equipped with.

In the end, I believe all JF-17 will still be equipped with Chinese radar.

 

[tphuang]

CCTV do not mention ESR,rather it stated "phase array radar" slotted array mechanical radar also qualified as a phase array radar.
last year article, Pakistan ,seeking to counter AESA equip IAF MiG-35,report is seeking Chinese make AESA radar ,this after been rebuffed by Thales to purchase AESA radar.(after US pressure)
this clue,that J-10B may be flying with prototype of locally design AESA.

I don't think you've really followed this kind of language that much. The video was clearly referring to an electronically scanned radar. As for the stuff about PAF chosing a foreign radar for JF-17, that hasn't been the case thus far.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Here's some nice shots that showed up over at CDF.

 

[Deino]

Exactly my idea ... as now I'm no longer sure that this "huge" pod/pylon is actually a pylon, but only an integrated ESM-/EW-pod. The attachment points for the inner pylon seem to slightly besides that "thing".

Any comments on that ???

Deino