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Lion

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An no air force will be buying "seriously downgrade versions" unless they are still better than anything else on offer.

That is why it will continue purchasing Chinese system. French will not offer the best.

As for the intergration in Pakistan. It will not happen. Nobody knows better than Chinese who invent and build them. It will be even worst if in France. Massive project delay can be expected.

JF-17 is a 50/50 joint venture of Pakistan with Chengdu. I don't think Chengdu will allow JF-17 to be in third party country.
 

mean_bird

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That is why it will continue purchasing Chinese system. French will not offer the best.

As for the intergration in Pakistan. It will not happen. Nobody knows better than Chinese who invent and build them. It will be even worst if in France. Massive project delay can be expected.

JF-17 is a 50/50 joint venture of Pakistan with Chengdu. I don't think Chengdu will allow JF-17 to be in third party country.

Just what exactly do you know is being offered to even start giving gurantees? The RC-400 and MICA is already on offer (not a variant but the RC-400 itself). We also know that an AESA radar of a different make is also on offer.

Regarding integration, firstly it is not for the first 50 so there is enough time.

Secondly, one of the primary features of JF-17 is that its airframe and avionics were decoupled right at the beginning of the project. That was one of the main hurdles before the project gathered pace.

Thirdly, either of the 3 - France, Pakistan or china could potentially integrate the radars. These systems have standard interfaces and compatibility with western avionics and weapons was one of the requirement from the word go. Ease of compatibility has been designed into the system.

The final decision will be made on what is available and for how much. If China can offer a competitive avionics package, then there is no reason to go elsewhere. If it cannot, then rest assured a western radar it will be. If necessary, the numbers could be reduced rather than the quality.

It has been done on the F-7 in Pakistan with Grifo radar and it can be done again if required.
 

crobato

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I think you are wrong on this Crobato. Not shouting it on every rooftop does not mean it is not going to happen. Pakistan is not intrested in waking up dogs in the neighbourhood.

About bargaining. Well, it is basic rule for trade that if you have less choice you probably pay more then you should. And being close to Chinese factories (trading) I know that as long you are not a close relative you have to remember that it is tough trading.

Besides that it is usual these days to shop around to get your plane. MKI with French and Israeli parts is just an example. F7 with Grifo and matra is another.

I have been an observer long enough to say, wake me up when it finally happens.

I'm not holding my breath.

There are many reasons why spaghetti approach to an airplane design will ultimately led to fail.
 

Zahid

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Friends, there is another more appropriate thread to discuss JF17. All the discussion about radar etc.. can be taken there. It is pretty premature to discuss all that in any case. Basically the same old arguments are being rehashed and presented for the nth time.

I am looking forward to learning more about J10 on this thread.
 

Chaminuka

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I am looking for a photo of a J-10 carrying MRAAMs on the inlet duct (chin) pylons. I saw the photo a few days ago and did not save it and cannot remember where. I think it was a model at some exhibition.

Thanks in advance.
 

Deino

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I am looking for a photo of a J-10 carrying MRAAMs on the inlet duct (chin) pylons. I saw the photo a few days ago and did not save it and cannot remember where. I think it was a model at some exhibition.

Thanks in advance.

... that's a Psed FAKE !!

Deino
 

A.Man

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What did J-10's do?

三军夏季演习实况:三架歼-10连打六架“敌机”

本报记者李建文发自广空航空兵某师靶场——

奔袭海岛一路激战

盛夏,广空航空兵某师驻地气温飙升至34°C。“起飞!”上午9时30分,塔台指挥员陈军一声令下,3架挂载火箭弹的新型战机腾空而起。

战机升空后不久,飞行员接到指挥所通报:“前方是‘敌’高炮阵地。”空中指挥员、长机飞行员吴宜巍果断命令编队突破“敌”高炮阵地。就在此时,早已等候多时的2架“敌方”新型战机开始对他们实施电磁干扰,飞行员迅速运用机载电子对抗设备重新恢复联系。

3号机飞行员韩会民首先发现“敌”机。2号机飞行员潘晓伟紧盯着“敌”机的一举一动,后舱飞行员张治华则操纵先进的机载雷达火控系统对“敌”机快速扫描,截获锁定目标,潘晓伟果断按下“发射”按钮。与此同时,长机飞行员吴宜巍和曾爱龙也干净利落地将另一架“敌”机击落。

歼“敌”之后,飞行员们迅速调整编队,继续向靶场飞去。到达靶场上空时,吴宜巍向僚机通报敌情:“4架某型歼击机向我扑来!”长途奔袭的飞行员们再次投入战斗:电磁压制、搜索、截获、锁定、攻击……

本来就是一次火箭弹对地突击训练,为何自设这么多“绊脚石”?该师政委武鹏说:“这样做的目的就是使训练紧贴实战,凸显真对实抗。”

此时,靶场指挥所也在忙碌。指挥车上,该师副师长张建平带着几名官兵,耐心地等待着实施火箭弹对地突击的战机出现。在一个三面临水的小岛上,3个用石灰粉末勾勒成直径15米的圆形靶标,一字形排列着。“飞机来了!”突然,不知谁喊了一声,大家把目光投向云层。只见战机编队在靶场上空通场后解散,按照两分钟的间隔,准备依次对靶标发起突击。

驾驶第一架战机实弹攻击的,是该师飞行一大队现任大队长潘晓伟。只见他操纵着战机从2000米高空俯冲下来,机翼下方闪现一团火光,数十枚火箭弹呼啸射出,靶标处腾起高达数米的尘土。

“打中啦!打中啦!”指挥车附近的官兵欢呼雀跃起来。潘晓伟一个漂亮的拉升,驾驶飞机脱离了攻击航线,钻入云层,空中只留下一团正在逐渐飘散的尾烟。
 

pla101prc

Senior Member
What did J-10's do?

三军夏季演习实况:三架歼-10连打六架“敌机”

本报记者李建文发自广空航空兵某师靶场——

奔袭海岛一路激战

盛夏,广空航空兵某师驻地气温飙升至34°C。“起飞!”上午9时30分,塔台指挥员陈军一声令下,3架挂载火箭弹的新型战机腾空而起。

战机升空后不久,飞行员接到指挥所通报:“前方是‘敌’高炮阵地。”空中指挥员、长机飞行员吴宜巍果断命令编队突破“敌”高炮阵地。就在此时,早已等候多时的2架“敌方”新型战机开始对他们实施电磁干扰,飞行员迅速运用机载电子对抗设备重新恢复联系。

3号机飞行员韩会民首先发现“敌”机。2号机飞行员潘晓伟紧盯着“敌”机的一举一动,后舱飞行员张治华则操纵先进的机载雷达火控系统对“敌”机快速扫描,截获锁定目标,潘晓伟果断按下“发射”按钮。与此同时,长机飞行员吴宜巍和曾爱龙也干净利落地将另一架“敌”机击落。

歼“敌”之后,飞行员们迅速调整编队,继续向靶场飞去。到达靶场上空时,吴宜巍向僚机通报敌情:“4架某型歼击机向我扑来!”长途奔袭的飞行员们再次投入战斗:电磁压制、搜索、截获、锁定、攻击……

本来就是一次火箭弹对地突击训练,为何自设这么多“绊脚石”?该师政委武鹏说:“这样做的目的就是使训练紧贴实战,凸显真对实抗。”

此时,靶场指挥所也在忙碌。指挥车上,该师副师长张建平带着几名官兵,耐心地等待着实施火箭弹对地突击的战机出现。在一个三面临水的小岛上,3个用石灰粉末勾勒成直径15米的圆形靶标,一字形排列着。“飞机来了!”突然,不知谁喊了一声,大家把目光投向云层。只见战机编队在靶场上空通场后解散,按照两分钟的间隔,准备依次对靶标发起突击。

驾驶第一架战机实弹攻击的,是该师飞行一大队现任大队长潘晓伟。只见他操纵着战机从2000米高空俯冲下来,机翼下方闪现一团火光,数十枚火箭弹呼啸射出,靶标处腾起高达数米的尘土。

“打中啦!打中啦!”指挥车附近的官兵欢呼雀跃起来。潘晓伟一个漂亮的拉升,驾驶飞机脱离了攻击航线,钻入云层,空中只留下一团正在逐渐飘散的尾烟。

3 J-10 on a ground strike mission took out 6 enemy fighters that tried to intercept them (in an exercise)
 
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